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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1560 on: April 22, 2019, 10:24:40 am »
2. What you were shown and refuse to acknowledge is he dpablaw wording provides preconditions and considerations when deciding if awarding a dpa is appropriate as well as public interest.

no - your lies won't prevail. I was the first in this thread to provide a cite to the dpa law wording... and have spoken at length to it's described purpose and conditions.
Criminal Code (R.S.C., 1985, c. C-46)  --- PART XXII.1 Remediation Agreements

you have repeatedly presumed to speak for the PPSC, the DPPSC - to presume on an evaluation that has not been made public. It's what you do - you make shyte up.

what you refuse to acknowledge, now several times, is that in the public interest the Attorney General can intervene in any prosecution.


the public has not been privy to the DPPSC review/evaluation - no one, other than you, has presumed to prioritize criteria within that evaluation. In terms of overall public interest, that lil' ditty is within the purview of the Attorney General to use to intervene in a prosecution. Which is, of course, the gist of the recently linked article I put forward - the one you continue to ignore... the one you refuse to address; this one:

Brian Greenspan: past president of the Criminal Lawyers’ Association, founding chair of the Canadian Council of Criminal Defence Lawyers, recipient of an honorary doctor of laws from the Law Society of Ontario, a Fellow of the American College of Trial Lawyers and a Fellow of the International Society of Barristers, recognized in The International Who's Who of Business Crime Lawyers and The Best Lawyers in Canada since their inception, is a Band 1 leading individual in White Collar Crime in Chambers Canada and has been named three times as one of the 25 Most Influential Lawyers in Canada by Canadian Lawyer Magazine:

Did Jody Wilson-Raybould understand her role as attorney-general?

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1561 on: April 22, 2019, 10:48:13 am »
notwithstanding you can't counter the interpretation/understanding I've put forward, the OECD has no enforcement or sanction power on any country... so, it's a toothless guideline! How silly you are in using the word "directive"!  ;D

Quote from: Drago Kos, chair of the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development's Working Group on Bribery
Of course Canada is a sovereign entity so no one can force Canada to do anything
Again you try engage me in silly baiting and you show you do not want to take the time to consider the implications of Canada violates an international convention it signed. The fact that you think international conventions are silly and toothless and therefore only guidelines is a subjective opinion.

Using you reasoning Canada can violate international law and all the treaties it signs because they are  not enforceable and therefore silly.

You of course make a remark that fails to acknowledge what happens when a country operates in a vacuum to the world around it and what it will do to its reputation in business, trade, foreign relations.

buddy... where was your fake outrage decades back? It was gold reading your OWN GOAL when you provided a 2011 dated article (that speaks back to OECD concerns from 1999 on through to that 2011 date... concerns over Canada's record in prosecuting foreign bribery). It was even sweeter reading you attempting to tie that article to PM Trudeau and 2018's deployment of remediation law - SWEET!

geezaz member Rue... why does the OECD itself use the word GUIDELINES?  ;D Bloody hell you're easy... too easy! Yet another member Rue, "OWN GOAL"!


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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1562 on: April 22, 2019, 08:53:41 pm »
no - your lies won't prevail. I was the first in this thread to provide a cite to the dpa law wording... and have spoken at length to it's described purpose and conditions. 
you have repeatedly presumed to speak for the PPSC, the DPPSC - to presume on an evaluation that has not been made public. It's what you do - you make shyte up.

what you refuse to acknowledge, now several times, is that in the public interest the Attorney General can intervene in any prosecution.

The above comments do not add to or address any issues and again show you try to deny what I have stated and then try to bait.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1563 on: April 22, 2019, 08:59:12 pm »

buddy... where was your fake outrage decades back? It was gold reading your OWN GOAL when you provided a 2011 dated article (that speaks back to OECD concerns from 1999 on through to that 2011 date... concerns over Canada's record in prosecuting foreign bribery). It was even sweeter reading you attempting to tie that article to PM Trudeau and 2018's deployment of remediation law - SWEET!

geezaz member Rue... why does the OECD itself use the word GUIDELINES?  ;D Bloody hell you're easy... too easy! Yet another member Rue, "OWN GOAL"!



Waldo the wording you now provide are not  the legal commentary and Annex 1 I provided.  The legal commentary and Annex 1 were not called guidelines because they were not guidelines. The paper you now produce us called a guideline because it us.  The wording I gave you were not called guidelines because they are not, they are in fact direct explanations on how the OECD wants Article V interpreted.

You now pull out something that has nothing to do with the wording I provided and suggest because it's a guideline, anything else the OECD has produced is also a guideline.

At this point Waldo you need to stop.  The more you respond to me the more absurd your attempts to defend your past words become.

If before you knee jerk responded to me you just once readcwhat you produced you would know what the difference is between  a directive as to specific wording interpretation and a policy guideline is.

I have ignored your other remarks which reflect  yet again your inability to control your emotions and childish comments.

Might I suggest you try understand Waldo your continued attempts to reply to me are pointless. My only purpose in making an effort to finish my comments was to demonstrate a level I should have engaged in.

You need to dialogue with someone else now Waldo.
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« Reply #1564 on: April 22, 2019, 09:07:39 pm »
And the AG can still intervene in a DPA.
Got it?

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1565 on: April 22, 2019, 09:39:44 pm »
And the AG can still intervene in a DPA.
Got it?

You might want to ask someone else Omni. Got it?
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« Reply #1566 on: April 22, 2019, 09:42:41 pm »
You might want to ask someone else Omni. Got it?
I'm not asking, I'm telling.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1567 on: April 22, 2019, 11:24:55 pm »
The above comments do not add to or address any issues and again show you try to deny what I have stated and then try to bait.

sure they do - you just can't/won't accept them... can't/won't acknowledge you're full of shyte. Again, in a public interest regard, an AG can intervene in any prosecution. Your darlin' Jody was quite obviously in over her head in that Justice Minister - AG job/role - many legal experts have severely criticized her failure to realize the mandate she was given... have significantly criticized her failings as Justice Minister/AG. I have cited several of those legal expert reviews. Of recent note, again, is this most telling commentary; you know, the one you're so troubled over - this one:

Brian Greenspan: past president of the Criminal Lawyers’ Association, founding chair of the Canadian Council of Criminal Defence Lawyers, recipient of an honorary doctor of laws from the Law Society of Ontario, a Fellow of the American College of Trial Lawyers and a Fellow of the International Society of Barristers, recognized in The International Who's Who of Business Crime Lawyers and The Best Lawyers in Canada since their inception, is a Band 1 leading individual in White Collar Crime in Chambers Canada and has been named three times as one of the 25 Most Influential Lawyers in Canada by Canadian Lawyer Magazine:

Did Jody Wilson-Raybould understand her role as attorney-general?

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The reputation and integrity of the administration of criminal justice in Canada has recently been challenged by critics who betray a fundamental misunderstanding of the responsibilities of key participants in our justice system. Regrettably, these misconceptions have been fueled by our former attorney-general, Jody Wilson-Raybould.

There is no question that the attorney-general must exercise her role objectively and independently. However, in a free and democratic society, the prosecutorial function does not operate in a vacuum, in isolation and immune from debate, discussion and, indeed, persuasion. Isolation breeds tyranny. Access to justice requires those who administer justice to be accessible, to be open to advocacy on behalf of clients and causes. Advocacy in the adversarial process does not undermine independence. In fact, the public interest is best served by ensuring that the decision-maker has meaningfully examined the conflicting positions and has been exposed to a comprehensive review of all relevant considerations.

Thoughtful reconsideration and sober second thoughts do not threaten the independence of the attorney-general nor do they jeopardize the integrity of our justice system.

Ms. Wilson-Raybould has expressed the position that any intervention by the attorney-general with the decision of the director of public prosecutions (DPP) would have been automatically suspect and that it would risk calling into question prosecutorial independence and the rule of law. The DPP, in fact, fulfills her responsibility under and on behalf of the attorney-general, and the act which governs her authority empowers the attorney-general to assume carriage of a prosecution or to direct the director. The attorney-general’s power to superintend prosecutions is an important aspect of our system. The former attorney-general treated the DPP as essentially unreviewable. Politically accountable oversight in ensuring that the public interest is properly taken into account isn’t anathema to the rule of law. The attorney-general’s power to superintend prosecutions is an integral part of our justice system.

The DPP is expressly mandated to notify the attorney-general if a case “raises important questions of general interest.” The conviction of SNC-Lavalin would affect thousands of people, including employees, pensioners and shareholders who were innocent bystanders to the alleged wrongdoing. In fact, one of the key underlying objectives of remediation agreements is to reduce the collateral negative consequences to those not engaged in the wrongdoing. The DPP fulfilled her responsibility to notify the attorney-general, recognizing that this case raised important questions of public interest. However, rather than address, assess or weigh the competing positions, the attorney-general appears to have reflexively deferred to the DPP and abdicated her responsibility for vigorous and independent oversight.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1568 on: April 23, 2019, 12:07:09 am »
Waldo the wording you now provide are not  the legal commentary and Annex 1 I provided.  The legal commentary and Annex 1 were not called guidelines because they were not guidelines.

hey brainiac! What do you think the Convention is based upon?  ;D You referring to those guidelines as "directives" is one of the stoopider statements you've made in a while. Again, the very fact the OECD raised concerns (over 2 decades now, starting in 1999) over Canada's conviction record for foreign bribery shows the OECD has no enforcement and/or sanction ability against counties it presumes to "raise concerns with". And you called them "directives"! Oh my!

but hey now - let's see you weasel out from the following - which raises your failure bar well beyond the nonsense you earlier tried to peddle when you stated DPAs were exceptionally rare in the U.S.. Per the OECD's own analysis/study just released weeks ago now:, "Of the 890 cases concluded under the Anti-Bribery Convention to date, close to 80% have been through non-trial resolutions."


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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1569 on: April 23, 2019, 12:16:17 am »
I'm not asking, I'm telling.

so direct, so harsh you are!  ;D It's clear member Rue has been traumatized by having his insults played back to him... he the guy who claimed his insult fests were simply his attempt at, as he stated, "collegial familiarity"! He now wants to double-down on his ongoing victim-play, insisting he's now reformed and resolves to "take the high-road' and stop throwing his insults. If nothing else, he's pure comic relief!

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« Reply #1570 on: April 23, 2019, 12:28:44 am »
so direct, so harsh you are!  ;D It's clear member Rue has been traumatized by having his insults played back to him... he the guy who claimed his insult fests were simply his attempt at, as he stated, "collegial familiarity"! He now wants to double-down on his ongoing victim-play, insisting he's now reformed and resolves to "take the high-road' and stop throwing his insults. If nothing else, he's pure comic relief!

I guess I'm just not all that interested in topping the word counter record. I'll let member Rue carry on with that. I've done the reading on the issue and posted what the law actually says. Plus I had to go mow the lawn.  ;)

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1571 on: April 23, 2019, 11:08:59 am »
I guess I'm just not all that interested in topping the word counter record. I'll let member Rue carry on with that. I've done the reading on the issue and posted what the law actually says. Plus I had to go mow the lawn.  ;)

Omni your childish comments speak for themselves.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1572 on: April 23, 2019, 11:09:50 am »
I'm not asking, I'm telling.

Thanks for demonstrating your sense of self entitlement and childishness.
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« Reply #1573 on: April 23, 2019, 11:16:07 am »
Omni your childish comments speak for themselves.

Which is childish to you, pointing out legal issues or mowing the lawn?

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #1574 on: April 23, 2019, 11:46:52 am »
Which is childish to you, pointing out legal issues or mowing the lawn?

The same reason your comment above is. Do you want to continue to bait or walk away Omni?

Lol. Are you that in need of continued responses from me?

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