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Offline Poonlight Graham

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2019, 10:32:37 am »
Here's something.  Somebody on a Facebook Group I follow posted that the former minister should be careful as Trudeau may try to have her assassinated.

I doubt anyone on this board thinks that, but it made me realize that a lot of people posting about politics now may actually think that the movies and shows like House of Cards are real.   :-[

Or they follow US politics.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2019, 10:36:48 am »
Why did this come out now? Perhaps she leaked what she could through back channels.

That seems to be what some Liberals are saying off-the-record:

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Several Liberals approached Friday said they were confident the story came from Wilson-Raybould herself.

ďSheís always sort of been in it for herself,Ē said one insider who didnít want to be identified. ďItís never been about the government or the cabinet. Everything is very Jody-centric.Ē

The fear of reprisal for speaking about anything to do with the situation was running so high Friday most Liberals approached flatly refused.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4943451/jody-wilson-raybould-place-in-liberals/

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2019, 10:43:52 am »
That seems to be what some Liberals are saying off-the-record:

https://globalnews.ca/news/4943451/jody-wilson-raybould-place-in-liberals/

Total speculation though.

And yeah, if (allegedly) you're demoted in cabinet because you stand up for the rule of law and democracy I can completely understand fear of reprisal.  If Trudeau demoted her for that, that sounds very illegal.  Reprisal is a form of harassment.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2019, 11:21:13 am »
Here's something.  Somebody on a Facebook Group I follow posted that the former minister should be careful as Trudeau may try to have her assassinated.

I doubt anyone on this board thinks that, but it made me realize that a lot of people posting about politics now may actually think that the movies and shows like House of Cards are real.   :-[

It was only a matter of time before Canada got our own Alex Jones, Q-anon type conspiracy theories. "They gonna get Jody Raybould Wilson the same way they done got Seth Rich!"


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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2019, 11:58:20 am »
No, I don't think KC posts such stuff.

That's not what I mean't, I was referring to her comment that facts are whatever you want them to be.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2019, 12:54:03 pm »
That seems to be what some Liberals are saying off-the-record:

https://globalnews.ca/news/4943451/jody-wilson-raybould-place-in-liberals/

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A convenient way of discrediting someone, but it doesn't exonerate the PMO from anything, all any of them have offered are non-denial denials, or no comment, it sounds a lot like people who dont want to be caught in a lie.  Anyway, it's only about the prosecution of a company who bribed Libyan government officials while Ghadaffi was in power with 48 million dollars,  they also bribed someone in Quebec with 10 million dollars to get a hospital construction contract, they also had a scam to donate money to the liberals (o but 5 percent of it went to conservatives)  through its employees, among other scandals.  It certainly isnt one greedy senator  who was found not guilty and who paid back the money to us, even if it came from the conservatives.  This will turn into nothing, the Duffy thing was news for what, two years?  This will be ignored by most of our major media in a few days and you wonder why the conservatives felt the need to lie about paying back money they thought Duffy had stolen.  They simply dont get the same considerations the liberals do.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2019, 02:13:38 pm »
they also had a scam to donate money to the liberals (o but 5 percent of it went to conservatives)  through its employees,

Yes, SNC Lavalin has a bad history. Note that the money you are talking about was all repaid by the parties concerned in 2016 when it was discovered. A single conservative candidate (Dean Del Mastro) had a scam that ran about 20% the size of the entire SNC Lavalin scam, through his cousins company. That is not to mention the many other scams he ran like tickets to a Mulroney speaking event sent to his riding association from companies and municipalities (all illegal). In short, crooked companies try to scam the system, and crooked conservative MPs try to scam the system.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2019, 06:25:41 pm »
And yeah, if (allegedly) you're demoted in cabinet because you stand up for the rule of law and democracy I can completely understand fear of reprisal.  If Trudeau demoted her for that, that sounds very illegal.  Reprisal is a form of harassment.

if you accept (Veterans Affairs) is a demotion, you might also need to factor criticisms against Ms. Wilson-Raybould for her handling of assisted-dying & impaired-driving legislation and her publicly expressed frustrations over the pace/approach of (her) government's handling of so-called 'reconciliation'...

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2019, 10:04:29 am »
"Buried deep in the 2018 omnibus budget bill was a provision allowing corporations charged with certain offences to avoid prosecution by signing so-called ďremediation agreements.Ē In place of convictions, fines and jail times, the company and its executives are obliged, in essence, to admit they did it, put back the money, and promise never to do it again. The amendment was inserted after a strenuous campaign of public advertising and private lobbying (14 meetings with officials in the prime ministerís office alone) by ó who? ó why yes, SNC-Lavalin."

"The issue was of more than academic concern to the company, which has since 2015 been facing charges of bribing public officials in Libya, in violation of federal anti-corruption legislation."


https://nationalpost.com/opinion/andrew-coyne-hard-to-overstate-seriousness-of-snc-lavalin-allegations
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2019, 01:15:06 pm »
Willfully obstructing justice is a criminal offence. 

We donít know if this actually happened, but if it did, itís a very serious matter.   If it did happen, Wilson-Raybauld should have handled it at the time.
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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2019, 01:34:01 pm »
We donít know if this actually happened, but if it did, itís a very serious matter.   If it did happen, Wilson-Raybauld should have handled it at the time.
At this point I don't see why it is wrong for the PMO to ask about a politically sensitive case since these kinds of decisions do have a public interest aspect to them. The only real requirement is if the justice minister decides to get involved for political reasons it has to be written down and published. The justice minister disagreed with the PMO and there is no evidence that 'direction' was given to the prosecutors that did not follow the legal requirements for public notification.

Now the subsequent demotion of the justice minister raises eyebrows but in itself is not a real issue as long as the new justice minster follows the law requiring public notification of any instructions given to the prosecutors. i.e. the prime minister is entitled to appoint ministers that share his priorities.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2019, 01:42:03 pm »
Willfully obstructing justice is a criminal offence. 

We donít know if this actually happened, but if it did, itís a very serious matter.   If it did happen, Wilson-Raybauld should have handled it at the time.

This could certainly come back to haunt Trudeau if the accusations prove to be true, but after listening to an interview with David Lematti, Raybould's replacement, I get a hint there may be some "jumping the gun" going on here. He was adamant there was no pressure put on either he or his predecessor  regarding dealings with SNC. The press will of course have a field day but let's see how it plays out.

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2019, 09:54:40 am »
This could certainly come back to haunt Trudeau if the accusations prove to be true, but after listening to an interview with David Lematti, Raybould's replacement, I get a hint there may be some "jumping the gun" going on here. He was adamant there was no pressure put on either he or his predecessor  regarding dealings with SNC. The press will of course have a field day but let's see how it plays out.


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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2019, 12:25:27 pm »

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Good Gawd give it a rest Sophie. Yer husband  phacked up big time.

The Squid has already applied the appropriate response to your (typical) nonsense. I'll leave it at that. 

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Re: Trudeau accused in SNC-Lavalin scandal
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2019, 05:43:26 am »

Now the subsequent demotion of the justice minister raises eyebrows but in itself is not a real issue as long as the new justice minster follows the law requiring public notification of any instructions given to the prosecutors. i.e. the prime minister is entitled to appoint ministers that share his priorities.

Wow.  I feel that this issue stinks even if there's no hard evidence but wow... you defending the govt.  I guess we're actually kind of an objective board here.   :o