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Offline Squidward von Squidderson

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« Reply #60 on: January 31, 2022, 12:27:47 am »
Well this all aged very poorly.  But thank you for spreading misinformation and lies.  Turns out Canadians are Canadians and not Americans.  I think you watch too much CNN.

No violence, no sedition, no uprising.  A very small handful of nutters with nutter flags amidst a sea of Canadian flags, honking horns, and chants of "freedom".  But mass panic and hand-wringing amongst many Canadians who just can't handle people with political opinions different than theirs.

Scumbag Covidiots covering for white supremacists and vandals.  Yeah, they’re real Canadian heroes alright.
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« Reply #61 on: January 31, 2022, 02:38:36 am »
Well this all aged very poorly.  But thank you for spreading misinformation and lies.  Turns out Canadians are Canadians and not Americans.  I think you watch too much CNN.

No violence, no sedition, no uprising.  A very small handful of nutters with nutter flags amidst a sea of Canadian flags, honking horns, and chants of "freedom".  But mass panic and hand-wringing amongst many Canadians who just can't handle people with political opinions different than theirs.

I just read this whole thread from start to finish. You yourself weren't sure how many 'alt-right weirdos' would be among them but now you're gloating like a soothsayer just because it didn't turn into another January 6th.

Glad you've got the bar set so high with, you know, like the second most shocking day in my adult recollection. Yeah, we can chalk the whole thing up to a big nothing burger just because they didn't break into the Parliament buildings to kill politicians.

Never mind the fact that the Nazis picked THIS as their bandwagon cause. Nothing to see here folks, time to move on.
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« Reply #62 on: January 31, 2022, 03:30:27 am »
We shouldn't take lightly government mandates and fines for walking in the park or simply leaving our house.  These are serious infringements on our most basic constitutional rights, and worthy of at least debate IMO.

And when was the last time anyone got fined for walking in the park or leaving the house? Let's not be overdramatic here.

Under normal circumstances I (and I suspect everyone else on this board) would agree that government is overreaching with curfews or limits on social groups. So the real question is whether or not we're living in normal times.

If you accept on any level that we're not living in normal times, the question is no longer about whether or not they CAN limit our freedoms, but are the limits excessive.

That's worthy of a debate, sure, but the problem with the people protesting for 'freedom' is they seem to deny much of covid all together. They want full freedom 2019 style as though there is no public health emergency going on throughout the world.

And your hyperbole about not leaving the house for a walk in the park is not helpful. Even at the height of the first restrictions we could go shopping for essentials and walks in the park. Comparing the unvaxxed to Jews during the holocaust like so many 'protestors' are doing is another no no. It's offensive, completely off base and diminished the credibility of the person making it not unlike your views that police are waiting to throw us out of parks.

So I guess the lesson in all this is to stop acting like the sky is falling because restaurants closed for two weeks or that countries require vaccines for entry (the horror), accept that there is a disease that is killing and debilitating a lot of people, then you can be taken seriously when you want to argue about whether or not the measures are effective or not.

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« Reply #63 on: January 31, 2022, 09:12:33 am »
No violence, no sedition, no uprising.  A very small handful of nutters with nutter flags amidst a sea of Canadian flags, honking horns, and chants of "freedom".  But mass panic and hand-wringing amongst many Canadians who just can't handle people with political opinions different than theirs.
Well, being anti-vax (along with all the "Freedom/mandates are like fascism" rhetoric that they use) makes them 'nutters' in the first place..

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with nutter flags amidst a sea of Canadian flags, honking horns, and chants of "freedom".
Here's a question...

While most flags at the protest may have been Canadian, why did participants allow even the small number of nazi/confederate flags? Given how toxic those ideologies are, you would have hoped that anyone waving such flags would have been told by others to "go home... we don't want your kind participating".

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« Reply #64 on: January 31, 2022, 09:19:00 am »
Insults aren't an argument and will therefore be ignored. If you have an actual argument please post it.

if your protest is organized by Nazis and welcomes Nazis, IDGAF how well-intentioned you might be or what your personal beliefs are.

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« Reply #65 on: January 31, 2022, 09:28:00 am »
Well this all aged very poorly.  But thank you for spreading misinformation and lies.  Turns out Canadians are Canadians and not Americans.  I think you watch too much CNN.

No violence, no sedition, no uprising.  A very small handful of nutters with nutter flags amidst a sea of Canadian flags, honking horns, and chants of "freedom".  But mass panic and hand-wringing amongst many Canadians who just can't handle people with political opinions different than theirs.

It's very telling how you elide the specific "political opinions" that people found objectionable.

As for the rest, imagine if you will that there was a massive convoy and peaceful protest on Parliament Hill by Indigenous groups demanding action on issues like access to safe drinking water, MMWIG, pipelines and unresolved land claims. What do you think the media and public sentiment would be? What would the law-enforcement response look like? I guarantee it would turn out very different from the love fest that followed the Nazi-organized convoy.

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« Reply #66 on: January 31, 2022, 09:43:11 am »
Convoy participants couldn't find restaurants to serve them so they stole food intended for the homeless from a soup kitchen. Link

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« Reply #67 on: January 31, 2022, 09:46:39 am »
You can’t get rid of covid like polio etc.  That’s like thinking the flu shot will get rid of flu.  The flu shot like the covid vaccine is for personal protection from a severe case.
So you're in favour of the mandatory vax for polio because you think it works better? That makes no sense.
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« Reply #68 on: January 31, 2022, 09:52:14 am »

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« Reply #69 on: January 31, 2022, 02:44:08 pm »
This is their rally….  When you don’t call out the Nazis amongst you and you tolerate their presence, it will soon become a rally for Nazis.  A place where they will be accepted and their voices can be heard. 


https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/egan-the-convoy-has-lost-the-room-now-how-do-we-lose-the-trucks

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Instead of talking about vaccine mandates and harmful lockdowns, all anyone could talk about Saturday evening was the video clip of a young woman dancing on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier at the National War Memorial and using a statue of Terry Fox as a kind of political prop.

It wasn’t long before everyone from the mayors of Ottawa and Port Coquitlam, B.C., to the defence minister and Canada’s top soldier were denouncing the violation of sacredness.

 People made their way to the National War Memorial to pay their respects after a woman was filmed dancing on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier on Saturday.
People made their way to the National War Memorial to pay their respects after a woman was filmed dancing on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier on Saturday.

So, straight away, you’ve lost the audience, regardless of whether the offenders were just freelance agitators or just a little stupid. It’s your convoy, you wear it.

(It didn’t help that on Sunday one of the organizing speakers made light of the Terry Fox controversy, which he described incorrectly as “putting a Mandate Freedom” sign on the statue, at Wellington and Metcalfe. “Do you really think,” he asked the crowd, “Terry Fox would be against the basic freedoms that allowed him to run across our great country, which we can’t do now?”)
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« Reply #70 on: January 31, 2022, 02:47:40 pm »
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“If they think we’re going to be out of here in a couple of days, no, no, no,” one of the organizers said on the makeshift stage Sunday.

If you look at the live webcam from Parliament Hill, there's a few dozen people left.
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« Reply #71 on: January 31, 2022, 02:51:04 pm »
If you look at the live webcam from Parliament Hill, there's a few dozen people left.

Yeah, the opinion piece was from yesterday.  I haven’t looked at the news today to see how it’s going. 

It was always a very small minority of idiots….  and I agree with Graham that this isn’t the USA where support for clowns like these runs around 50%…. So it was always likely to fizzle out without support from the general public and not just fringe crazies. 
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« Reply #72 on: January 31, 2022, 03:00:39 pm »
The woman who danced on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier was with people carrying Quebec flags.  Probably anti-Canadian separatists.  Disgusting.  There's been many Quebecois killed in war too.

Yeah, but this is really a side item right ? 

A bunch of drunk yahoos... ok then... what did we expect ?

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« Reply #73 on: January 31, 2022, 03:03:50 pm »
The organizers aren't Nazis.  Some guy Patrick King is an anti-semite piece of crap, and some other wingding I forget his name, they were both contacts for truckers.  They aren't the main organizers. I can't even find their names online on their websites.

I'm using Nazi here as a handy shorthand, but all the main people involved are pieces of crap.

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« Reply #74 on: January 31, 2022, 03:09:16 pm »
So how many Nazis were in the crowd?  I would never defend Nazis.  The crowd could have been 40% **** Nazis that decided to show up but I still defend the right to protests for the other 60%, as long as they denounce the Nazis.

Has anyone said they don't have a right to protest? Sounds like a strawman to me.