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Re: Trucker convoy (non-censor edition)
« Reply #540 on: February 09, 2022, 12:58:50 pm »
Which would have no impact right ?

Would also send the message that a few hundred trucks can change legislation... they don't even do this for native protests.

Also the claim these oafs would go home if they removed the trucker mandate (which you are correct in saying wouldn't change a thing) is false as the goons in Coutts have made clear, they want ALL restrictions lifted (even though Trudeau only has authority over federal mandates).

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« Reply #541 on: February 09, 2022, 01:15:54 pm »
Doing a great job winning hearts and minds.

87% of Ottawa residents want protesters to go home

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« Reply #542 on: February 09, 2022, 01:29:45 pm »
Also the claim these oafs would go home if they removed the trucker mandate (which you are correct in saying wouldn't change a thing) is false as the goons in Coutts have made clear, they want ALL restrictions lifted (even though Trudeau only has authority over federal mandates).

They said in a press conference they want to form government.

They think we grow bananas here...
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« Reply #543 on: February 09, 2022, 02:07:08 pm »
"I don't agree with the law calling for Jews to be rounded up, but the law is the law and we must respect that."

We don't live in a fascist totalitarian dictatorship, we live in a liberal democracy with courts and different levels of government we can petition to.  BLM rioters didn't even wait for a court ruling on the Floyd case before going nuts.

Yeah most normal people are beholden to higher moral principles than "the law is the law and must be obeyed."[/quote]

I never said that all laws are just, I said you follow them until you can change them, and if you choose not to follow them in protest/ civil disobedience ok but prepare to also suffer the legal punishments of those crimes.
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« Reply #544 on: February 09, 2022, 02:21:26 pm »
We don't live in a fascist totalitarian dictatorship, we live in a liberal democracy with courts and different levels of government we can petition to. 

The US under Jim Crow and segregation was also a liberal democracy and it required people disobey those laws they deemed unjust to help change them. Those people are considered heroes because we know those laws were unjust.

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I never said that all laws are just, I said you follow them until you can change them, and if you choose not to follow them in protest/ civil disobedience ok but prepare to also suffer the legal punishments of those crimes.

And this is my point: you're talking strictly about legalities and following the letter of the law, but deciding what laws are unjust and thus worth disobeying is a moral/political judgement that everyone would make.

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« Reply #545 on: February 09, 2022, 02:37:39 pm »
Actually the number is 93% BLM protests considered peaceful. And even in the small number where violence occurred, not every participant that was in a protest that was violent participated in the violence themselves. So the number of people that would be considered problematic is extremely small.

And don't forget what I mentioned before...

At least some of the cases where violence and/or looting occurred, those involved were not part of the BLM protests, but were merely using the protests as cover for their crimes. In other cases, it was right-wing agitators who were causing the problems.

Compare that to the Truckers rally, where pretty much 100% of the protests have caused problems, and here in Ottawa it appears that pretty much 100% of the troublemakers have actually been associated with the rally.

And the organizers are racist cranks, a fact that all the "oh it's just a few bad apples" folks keep ignoring even though it's kind of a big deal and certainly enables one to make some judgements on the kind of followers such individuals would cultivate.


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« Reply #546 on: February 09, 2022, 02:52:20 pm »
And the organizers are racist cranks, a fact that all the "oh it's just a few bad apples" folks keep ignoring even though it's kind of a big deal and certainly enables one to make some judgements on the kind of followers such individuals would cultivate.
Complete and utter nonsense.  You’re a racist crank and a fascist.  See, we can all that game.

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« Reply #547 on: February 09, 2022, 02:56:22 pm »
A 78 year old elderly man is wrestled to the ground by multiple police officers for honking a car horn.  Not a ticket  or a fine.  This is Canada now in 2022.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-elderly-man-gets-wrestled-to-ground-arrested-by-ottawa-police-for-honking-in-support-of-protesting-truckers/

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« Reply #548 on: February 09, 2022, 03:06:08 pm »
The US under Jim Crow and segregation was also a liberal democracy and it required people disobey those laws they deemed unjust to help change them. Those people are considered heroes because we know those laws were unjust.

And this is my point: you're talking strictly about legalities and following the letter of the law, but deciding what laws are unjust and thus worth disobeying is a moral/political judgement that everyone would make.

If people want to protest a law through civil disobedience of that law they're free to do so, but also may suffer the legal consequences.  It should also be done only when all other democratic forms of protest and petition have been exhausted, because that's how we keep our society from turning into chaos like we have right now in Ottawa, on Jan. 6th, and during the Floyd race riots.

But what the truckers and rioters have done isn't civil disobedience, the laws they're breaking have nothing to do with the laws/policies they're protesting.  It's just angry people trying to cause chaos in order to blackmail the government into doing whatever they want, which is anti-democratic and shouldn't be tolerated.

This is the only way civil society works.  I don't want to live in a 3rd world society where rule of law has broken down and violence and civil unrest is common and society is dysfunctional.  Civil society works because we all agree to follow the law even when we disagree with it, and government is there to enforce it.  Everyone thinks their cause is righteous. Ie. Quebec separatists have a choice of either accepting the results of a democratic referendum & continuing to peacefully protest or causing civil unrest/violence until they get their way.
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Re: Trucker convoy (non-censor edition)
« Reply #549 on: February 09, 2022, 03:12:32 pm »
The peaceful option here for the truckers is to go park their trucks somewhere legal and then go get some tents and heaters and camp out in front of Parliament Hill.

They're naive fools if they think Ottawa is going to bend to their demands via hijacking public infrastructure.  They're literally holding parts of downtown up for ransom.

They need to be removed but officials are rightly very cautious of using force because it could cause a violent  confrontation.
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« Reply #550 on: February 09, 2022, 04:11:23 pm »
Complete and utter nonsense.  You’re a racist crank and a fascist.  See, we can all that game.

Are you denying the convoy organizers aren't a bunch of racist cranks?
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« Reply #551 on: February 09, 2022, 05:03:28 pm »
Ambassador Bridge is next level stupid.

They're asking to have their lives ruined.

Ford plants are cancelling shifts...

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« Reply #552 on: February 09, 2022, 05:29:39 pm »
Ambassador Bridge is next level stupid.

They're asking to have their lives ruined.

Ford plants are cancelling shifts...

Where have you gone Marvin Heemeyer a nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

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« Reply #553 on: February 09, 2022, 08:40:22 pm »
I have a solution for the protests:  Trudeau lifts quarantines and vaccine mandates for all Canadian truckers, but keeps the mandate for foreign truckers and travelers.  Biden does the same.  Truckers can leave and enter Canada freely, but just can't enter into the US because of Biden's mandates, effectively keeping the status quo but taking all blame off Trudeau.
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« Reply #554 on: February 09, 2022, 08:53:03 pm »
Ambassador Bridge is next level stupid.

They're asking to have their lives ruined.

Ford plants are cancelling shifts...
Now you’re concerned about jobs and lives ruined?  Where have you been for 2 years?  Honestly, the selective outrage and concern is breathtaking.