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Offline segnosaur

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Re: Trucker convoy (non-censor edition)
« Reply #510 on: February 08, 2022, 09:35:10 pm »
Let me end this thread so we can all just STFU:

- Everyone has the right to peacefully protest (speech)
- Protestors should follow the law or face the consequences, whether truckers or BLM'ers or Jan 6'ers
- Governments should allow people to protest indefinitely unless they're breaking the law, in which case they have the right to enforce the law on those breaking it while leaving all other peaceful protestors alone.
- Protestors should not engage in hate speech or incite violence
- A minority of bad apples within a peaceful protest movement, whether Nazis or looting BLM'ers, do not represent all the members of that protest and do not in themselves de-legitimize a protest
Ah yes, its always "just a few" bad apples...

Just a few racists organized it. Just a few carried racist flags. Just a few peed on the war memorial. Just a few danced on the tomb of the unknown soldier. Just a few harassed people at a medical center. Just a few sent death threats to a tow truck driver. Just a few harassed businesses. Just a few assaulted people. Just a few harassed businesses. Just a few threw rocks at people's houses. Just a few used their horns, causing noise complaints. Just a few started fires. Just a few stole food from a homeless shelter. Just a few are parked illegally and blocking traffic. Just a few built illegal structures....

Did you ever think that when you start to add up all those "just a few bad apples" you end up with a pretty substantial number of people? At one point do you think that those 'few' people are actually something to be concerned about?

And how about a new rule? If you are surrounded by people being dumbasses, and you decide to either 1) do nothing tp stop it even if doing so is fairly easy, or 2) you decide to stay, then you are giving tacit approval to those actions?

Heck, take the confederate and nazi flags... even the Trump campaign was smart enough to take down a confederate flag someone had hung in a 2016 election rally. But here you have trucker protesters gladly hanging out with people carrying racist flags.

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Re: Trucker convoy (non-censor edition)
« Reply #511 on: February 08, 2022, 09:42:33 pm »
Ha ha!!!

From: https://techcrunch.com/2022/02/08/ottawa-trucker-freedom-convoy-exposed-donation/
The Boston, Massachusetts-based donation service GiveSendGo became the primary donation service for the so-called “Freedom Convoy”...TechCrunch was tipped off to the data lapse after a person... found an exposed Amazon-hosted S3 bucket containing over 50 gigabytes of files, including passports and driver licenses that were collected during the donation process.

The schadenfreude runs strong in this one!

Identity theft sucks (I should know, I've been the victim of it). But if anyone is going to get burned by it, I would rather it be a bunch of people donating to support a bunch of racists, violent thugs, and the like.

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« Reply #512 on: February 08, 2022, 09:52:04 pm »
Ha ha!!!

From: https://techcrunch.com/2022/02/08/ottawa-trucker-freedom-convoy-exposed-donation/
The Boston, Massachusetts-based donation service GiveSendGo became the primary donation service for the so-called “Freedom Convoy”...TechCrunch was tipped off to the data lapse after a person... found an exposed Amazon-hosted S3 bucket containing over 50 gigabytes of files, including passports and driver licenses that were collected during the donation process.

The schadenfreude runs strong in this one!

Identity theft sucks (I should know, I've been the victim of it). But if anyone is going to get burned by it, I would rather it be a bunch of people donating to support a bunch of racists, violent thugs, and the like.
You’d cheer on a girl being **** if it meant some kind of political gain.  You people are disgusting.

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« Reply #513 on: February 08, 2022, 11:16:05 pm »
Someone who picks and chooses which of those principles apply based on their political beliefs is not a hypocrite unless they profess to believe in all of them in the first place.

Anyone who thinks protestor group A should follow the law but protestor group B doesn't have to because group B is protesting a cause they believe in and the other group isn't then that's a double-standard and that person is a hypocrite, not to mention an anti-democratic tyrant.

Also, civil disobedience is breaking a law you're protesting, it isn't smashing random businesses that have nothing to do with what you're protesting and looting them or lighting churches on fire.

But anyways, i've already ended the thread with my hiroshima truth-bomb.
I queef, therefore I am.

Offline waldo

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« Reply #514 on: February 08, 2022, 11:27:17 pm »
But anyways, i've already ended the thread with my hiroshima truth-bomb.

truth? You can't handle the truth! Here, have some Teamsters truth - yes?


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« Reply #515 on: February 08, 2022, 11:41:33 pm »
more... truth, hey member Nipples!

Canada's largest trucking company is TFI International Inc.. => the ending of the vaccination requirement exemption for cross-border truckers had been announced by the federal government on Nov. 19 and took effect Jan. 15; as of Jan 15, Canadian truck drivers must be fully vaccinated if they want to avoid a 14-day quarantine upon re-entry from the United States. The United States imposed the same rule on American drivers a week later on Jan. 22, with Canadians who are not fully vaccinated barred from entry to the U.S. and vice versa.

Quote from: TFI CEO Alain Bédard
Vaccination at TFI is not an issue at all. The vast majority of TFI's Canadian drivers are inoculated against COVID-19.

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« Reply #516 on: February 09, 2022, 12:05:06 am »
90% huh?  Cool, that’s almost as high as the convoy protest! 😂l
Don't forget you're trying to compare almost 2500 protests involving 10's of millions of people over several months nationwide.

90% - if not higher - is a resounding tribute to civil restraint given the righteousness of their cause and the justifiable anger that fuelled it.

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« Reply #517 on: February 09, 2022, 12:24:56 am »
more... truth, hey member Nipples!

Canada's largest trucking company is TFI International Inc.. => the ending of the vaccination requirement exemption for cross-border truckers had been announced by the federal government on Nov. 19 and took effect Jan. 15; as of Jan 15, Canadian truck drivers must be fully vaccinated if they want to avoid a 14-day quarantine upon re-entry from the United States. The United States imposed the same rule on American drivers a week later on Jan. 22, with Canadians who are not fully vaccinated barred from entry to the U.S. and vice versa.
But, but... that's going to destroy the trucking business!!! Massive supply chain disruptions! Chaos! Cats mating with dogs!

From: https://globalnews.ca/news/8604381/covid-vaccine-mandate-truckers-tfi/
Canada’s largest trucking company is virtually untouched by the vaccine mandate for truckers crossing the U.S.-Canada border, says TFI International Inc. chairman and CEO Alain Bedard... He said last month looked like “the best January ever for the company”...“The biggest issue for us really in January is sick people in the U.S. with COVID”

So the vaccine mandates are not affecting the trucking industry or supply chain, but sick people (which vaccines would help prevent) ARE causing problems.

What are the odds?

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Re: Trucker convoy (non-censor edition)
« Reply #518 on: February 09, 2022, 12:37:06 am »
Don't forget you're trying to compare almost 2500 protests involving 10's of millions of people over several months nationwide.

90% - if not higher - is a resounding tribute to civil restraint given the righteousness of their cause and the justifiable anger that fuelled it.
Actually the number is 93% BLM protests considered peaceful. And even in the small number where violence occurred, not every participant that was in a protest that was violent participated in the violence themselves. So the number of people that would be considered problematic is extremely small.

And don't forget what I mentioned before...

At least some of the cases where violence and/or looting occurred, those involved were not part of the BLM protests, but were merely using the protests as cover for their crimes. In other cases, it was right-wing agitators who were causing the problems.

Compare that to the Truckers rally, where pretty much 100% of the protests have caused problems, and here in Ottawa it appears that pretty much 100% of the troublemakers have actually been associated with the rally.
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« Reply #519 on: February 09, 2022, 08:29:28 am »
Good news!  Police are returning the fuel that they took from truckers, by judges order!

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« Reply #520 on: February 09, 2022, 09:31:08 am »
More information about the "peaceful" trucker protest...

From: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60267841
police have expressed concern about extremist rhetoric coming from far-right groups among the protesters. As well as reported racial and homophobic abuse, some danced on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier at the National War Memorial. Nearly 80 criminal investigations have been opened in relation to the protests, including for alleged hate crimes and property damage. Some two dozen people have been arrested....One officer was reportedly attacked...police had found about 100 trucks with children in them and had contacted the Children's Aid Society over concerns about the noise, fumes and hygiene in the convoy.

Hmmm... 100 trucks with children. So that's AT LEAST 100 children that are probably not getting the proper schooling, subject to loud noise constantly, etc.. And dozens arrested. And almost 80 criminal investigations. 

Does that count as just "a few" bad apples?

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« Reply #521 on: February 09, 2022, 09:43:47 am »
More information about the "peaceful" trucker protest...

From: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60267841
police have expressed concern about extremist rhetoric coming from far-right groups among the protesters. As well as reported racial and homophobic abuse, some danced on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier at the National War Memorial. Nearly 80 criminal investigations have been opened in relation to the protests, including for alleged hate crimes and property damage. Some two dozen people have been arrested....One officer was reportedly attacked...police had found about 100 trucks with children in them and had contacted the Children's Aid Society over concerns about the noise, fumes and hygiene in the convoy.

Hmmm... 100 trucks with children. So that's AT LEAST 100 children that are probably not getting the proper schooling, subject to loud noise constantly, etc.. And dozens arrested. And almost 80 criminal investigations. 

Does that count as just "a few" bad apples?
You guys are hilarious.  You’ve kept children from proper schooling for 2 years, but now you care.  You people have no credibility. 

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« Reply #522 on: February 09, 2022, 09:45:33 am »
Ah yes, its always "just a few" bad apples...

Funny how they always conveniently forget the rest of that idiom.

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Re: Trucker convoy (non-censor edition)
« Reply #523 on: February 09, 2022, 09:51:15 am »
Anyone who thinks protestor group A should follow the law but protestor group B doesn't have to because group B is protesting a cause they believe in and the other group isn't then that's a double-standard and that person is a hypocrite, not to mention an anti-democratic tyrant.

In practice this means you would consider civil rights protesters violating the law by sitting at a segregated lunch counter to be the same as the pro-segregation protesters assaulting them.

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Also, civil disobedience is breaking a law you're protesting, it isn't smashing random businesses that have nothing to do with what you're protesting and looting them or lighting churches on fire.

LOL wow, so it turns out breaking the law is actually ok if you do so in a manner Mr. Graham finds acceptable which shows how hollow your "axshualllly everyone should obey the law" pose is.
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« Reply #524 on: February 09, 2022, 10:12:56 am »
You guys are hilarious.  You’ve kept children from proper schooling for 2 years, but now you care.  You people have no credibility.

Covid restrictions were so bad for kids you guys.