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« Reply #75 on: February 01, 2022, 03:40:35 pm »
The CPC base is filled with backwards idiots and religious nutters.  They might want to try kowtowing to moderates or liberals sick of Trudeau than MAGA bible-thumpers and racist rednecks.

Ad hominem.

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« Reply #76 on: February 01, 2022, 03:42:56 pm »
Yes it does.

Attack the argument, not the person.  Let's assume she murders black people and priests in her spare time and beats her children.  Maybe she even burns down mosques and is a total hypocrite.  She was still right on that point.
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« Reply #77 on: February 01, 2022, 03:43:58 pm »
Ad hominem.  This has nothing to do with her argument.

Do you disagree with her argument or not? Or do you just hate her?

Yeah I think the "both sides" argument here is stupid and depends on ignoring context.

People who threw paint on the JAM statue did so because they believed (correctly) that he was a racist responsible for the displacement and deaths of thousands of Indigenous children. The people who pissed on the war memorial did so because they are stupid drunken idiots. These are not the same thing.
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« Reply #78 on: February 01, 2022, 03:45:28 pm »
Attack the argument, not the person.  Let's assume she murders black people and priests in her spare time and beats her children.  Maybe she even burns down mosques and is a total hypocrite. She was still right on that point.

What point, specifically?

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« Reply #79 on: February 01, 2022, 03:46:00 pm »
Ad hominem.

No it isn't.  I'm making an observation, i'm not invalidating a person's argument because of their character.  Which you also tried to do with Jordan Peterson among others.

If Hitler says the sky is blue they aren't wrong because they are a Nazi.
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« Reply #80 on: February 01, 2022, 03:52:43 pm »
No it isn't.  I'm making an observation, i'm not invalidating a person's argument because of their character.  Which you also tried to do with Jordan Peterson among others.

If Hitler says the sky is blue they aren't wrong because they are a Nazi.

Referring to someone asa "backwards idiot and religious nutter" is attacking their character and not engaging the arguments.

Anyway i don't actually care i just wanted to give you a dose of your own tedious pedantry.
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« Reply #81 on: February 01, 2022, 03:55:49 pm »
Yeah I think the "both sides" argument here is stupid and depends on ignoring context.

People who threw paint on the JAM statue did so because they believed (correctly) that he was a racist responsible for the displacement and deaths of thousands of Indigenous children. The people who pissed on the war memorial did so because they are stupid drunken idiots. These are not the same thing.

You don't know the motivations of the war memorial stompers.  Their friends were carrying Quebec flags.  They could have been Quebec nationalists who hate Candada, but we don't know 100%.

The motivations of the John A vandals and the war memorial stompers are irrelevant.  Vandalism is illegal, your supposed virtue or blood alcohol level doesn't absolve you of crimes.  If you want the statue torn down fine, then grab some signatures and petition your government or everyone get in your car and park in front of city hall with signs and flags and honk your horn.  Small groups of protestors don't get to hijack democracy and decide for everyone else how their cities are run.

Believe it or not criminals and fools exist within the ranks of every ideology, and they should all be condemned.  Stop covering for criminals just because they're on your "side", unless you don't think democracy and rule of law is your "side".

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« Reply #82 on: February 01, 2022, 03:59:26 pm »
You don't know the motivations of the war memorial stompers.  Their friends were carrying Quebec flags.  They could have been Quebec nationalists who hate Candada, but we don't know 100%.

The motivations of the John A vandals and the war memorial stompers are irrelevant.  Vandalism is illegal, your supposed virtue or blood alcohol level doesn't absolve you of crimes.  If you want the statue torn down fine, then grab some signatures and petition your government or everyone get in your car and park in front of city hall with signs and flags and honk your horn.  Small groups of protestors don't get to hijack democracy and decide for everyone else how their cities are run.

Believe it or not criminals and fools exist within the ranks of every ideology, and they should all be condemned.  Stop covering for criminals just because they're on your "side", unless you don't think democracy and rule of law is your "side".

The convoy you support is doing just that and you don't seem to have an issue with it. But regardless, history has shown that what's right and what is the "rule of law" are not the same thing and blind deference to the latter is for cowards.

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« Reply #83 on: February 01, 2022, 04:05:07 pm »
What point, specifically?

That vandalism and hate is wrong regardless of the source, and most large protest movements have criminal fools like we saw in the trucker protests.  Just because some BLM protestors might light fire to businesses and loot doesn't mean all BLM protestors are bad or criminals or that all BLM'ers should be written off without listening to them.
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Re: Trucker convoy (non-censor edition)
« Reply #84 on: February 01, 2022, 04:11:50 pm »
The convoy you support is doing just that and you don't seem to have an issue with it.

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But regardless, history has shown that what's right and what is the "rule of law" are not the same thing and blind deference to the latter is for cowards.

Agree, and history has also shown the best way to overturn bad laws is protest and voting not violence and vandalism.  One is democratically protected rights and the other lands you in jail, for good reason.

Living in a democracy means a small group of protestors don't get to decided for the majority which laws are bad or good.  If you think they should then you'd support the convoy truckers lighting Ottawa on fire and looting in order to try and force the mandate laws to change.  Toddlers throwing tantrums shouldn't get their way.
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Re: Trucker convoy (non-censor edition)
« Reply #85 on: February 01, 2022, 04:13:02 pm »
That vandalism and hate is wrong regardless of the source, and most large protest movements have criminal fools like we saw in the trucker protests.  Just because some BLM protestors might light fire to businesses and loot doesn't mean all BLM protestors are bad or criminals or that all BLM'ers should be written off without listening to them.

People who hid Jews from the Nazis were criminals. The freedom riders and other civil rights campaigners were criminals (and even their peaceful protests were deeply unpopular at the time). What's right and what's legal are not always the same thing and I genuinely am less interested in the fact of someone committing a crime (especially crimes against property) than I am in their reasons for doing so.
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« Reply #86 on: February 01, 2022, 04:14:40 pm »
Agree, and history has also shown the best way to overturn bad laws is protest and voting not violence and vandalism.  One is democratically protected rights and the other lands you in jail, for good reason.

LOL that is not what history shows us at all!

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Living in a democracy means a small group of protestors don't get to decided for the majority which laws are bad or good.  If you think they should then you'd support the convoy truckers lighting Ottawa on fire and looting in order to try and force the mandate laws to change.  Toddlers throwing tantrums shouldn't get their way.

Again: the why matters.



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Re: Trucker convoy (non-censor edition)
« Reply #87 on: February 01, 2022, 04:54:55 pm »
That vandalism and hate is wrong regardless of the source, and most large protest movements have criminal fools like we saw in the trucker protests.  Just because some BLM protestors might light fire to businesses and loot doesn't mean all BLM protestors are bad or criminals or that all BLM'ers should be written off without listening to them.
Lets see now....

BLM protesters were complaining about unequal treatment of black people in society. We know that that is a problem... a string of publicized killings/shootings by officers targeting black people are evidence of that. (Also consider how sometimes laws are applied unequally. For example: despite marijuana use being roughly the same for black and white people, black people were more than twice as likely to be arrested for simple possession.)

There was a problem, nothing seemed to be done to address the problem, so people protested.

It should also be noted that even though they were widespread, the majority of protests were peaceful.

Compare that to the Trucker "freedom rally"... their protests are not based on legitimate concerns, but cries about "Mah Freedum", often accompanied by bad science and moronic rhetoric.

So one group wanting to address a real problem in society, the other wanting the right to spread a potentially deadly disease among the population.



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Re: Trucker convoy (non-censor edition)
« Reply #88 on: February 01, 2022, 05:18:31 pm »
Good for them!
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« Reply #89 on: February 01, 2022, 05:57:39 pm »
Good for them!

false dumbTrucker appropriation!