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Re: Trucker convoy (non-censor edition)
« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2022, 11:43:11 pm »
Why is an arbitrary marker like "24 weeks" relevant to anything?  23 weeks = ok, 25 weeks = bad?  That's insane.
24 weeks is generally the cut off mark because that is the point where a fetus is viable (i.e. it can survive outside the womb, given current medical technology and understanding of fetal development).

ON the other hand, your "heartbeat" claim makes absolutely no difference in terms of viability... a fetus will not survive even if a heartbeat is detected, until several more months have passed.

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Re: Trucker convoy (non-censor edition)
« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2022, 11:48:37 pm »
People argue for decades because they both have a point.
The majority of people who oppose abortion do so because they are religious zealots who are interpreting a book that doesn't even make direct mention of abortion.

Its the same book that tells people not to wear clothing made from 2 different types of cloth, or to eat shrimp, but if people tried to enforce those rules people would think you were nuts.
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More rights, or the same rights?  When does a person become a person?
How about when the fetus is able to survive on its own without obtaining nutrients and oxygen directly from the mother's circulatory system?

Sounds like a pretty straight forward definition to me.
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Why do most progressives keep wanting to stick sharp metal objects into people and fetuses and embryos?  Why u so stabby?
Would you prefer that we bleed people with leaches instead?
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« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2022, 11:59:04 pm »
And? So what? Why is that relevant?

Even if there is a heartbeat, the fetus is not yet viable. It does not have fully formed lungs, nor digestive system, nor other things that are necessary for something to survive independent of the mother. There is nothing magical about detecting a heart beat.

Ok so that also means that if you're in a coma and you need to be on life-support to survive but you're likely to come out of that coma in several months and be healthy you're still not currently viable so your doctor via permission from your family can stab you and suck you off the hospital bed with a giant vacuum and then throw your body into an incinerator because you have no rights and your family is worried about paying your bills.

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Disagree with abortion? Then don't get one. But for those who have no moral qualms about terminating an unwanted pregnancy, for those who do not subscribe to the idea of an invisible sky daddy who is worried about all the "unborn babies", they should be allowed the choice.

Disagree with slavery? Then don't get a slave. But for those who have no moral qualms about owning a slave, for those who do not subscribe to the idea of an invisible concept like "natural rights", they should be allowed the choice.

Disagree with the holocaust? Then don't murder Jews. But for those who have no moral qualms about murdering Jews, for those who do not subscribe to the idea of an invisible concept like "don't commit genocide", they should be allowed the choice.

Disagree with raping grandmothers? Then don't **** grandmothers. But for those who have no moral qualms about raping grandmothers, for those who do not subscribe to the idea of an invisible concept like "don't **** grandmothers", they should be allowed the choice.
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Re: Trucker convoy (non-censor edition)
« Reply #48 on: February 01, 2022, 12:07:06 am »
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And? So what? Why is that relevant?

Even if there is a heartbeat, the fetus is not yet viable. It does not have fully formed lungs, nor digestive system, nor other things that are necessary for something to survive independent of the mother. There is nothing magical about detecting a heart beat.
Ok so that also means that if you're in a coma and you need to be on life-support to survive but you're likely to come out of that coma in several months and be healthy you're still not currently viable...
Actually a coma patient is still viable in that hypothetical, because even if you need ventilators or other similar measures medical technology can keep you alive long enough to get you to the point where you can survive on your own.

But a fetus extracted from its mother at 3-4 weeks (even if a heartbeat were detected) will never survive. We don't have the medical technology for that, and probably never will.

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Disagree with slavery? Then don't get a slave. But for those who have no moral qualms about owning a slave, for those who do not subscribe to the idea of an invisible concept like "natural rights", they should be allowed the choice.

Disagree with the holocaust? Then don't murder Jews. But for those who have no moral qualms about murdering Jews, for those who do not subscribe to the idea of an invisible concept like "don't commit genocide", they should be allowed the choice.
Idiotic comparisons.

Slavery/genocide are wrong because the victims HAVE reached the point where they are whole, sentient individuals, capable of independent thoughts, and survival without being a "parasite" on another person.

A blob of cells in a mother's womb has not reached that point. It has no ability to survive without taking nutrients from the mother.
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Re: Trucker convoy (non-censor edition)
« Reply #49 on: February 01, 2022, 09:34:23 am »
Why is an arbitrary marker like "24 weeks" relevant to anything?  23 weeks = ok, 25 weeks = bad?  That's insane.

Why should an arbitrary developmental marker like "heartbeat" be relevant?

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Re: Trucker convoy (non-censor edition)
« Reply #50 on: February 01, 2022, 09:48:45 am »
People argue for decades because they both have a point.

More rights, or the same rights? 

When a woman is forced to carry a pregnancy to term, with all the physical risks, financial and emotional hardships that entails, then you have made her rights subordinate to those of a non-sentient clump of matter.

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When does a person become a person?

What is "personhood" anyway?

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Why do most progressives keep wanting to stick sharp metal objects into people and fetuses and embryos?  Why u so stabby?

Ad hominem.

anyway, here's some actual facts about abortion:

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Nine out of 10 abortions happen before 12 weeks of pregnancy in many high-income countries, while the proportion of those done under 9 weeks has risen over the past decade, reveals the first review of its kind, published online in BMJ Sexual & Reproductive Health.

Whatís more, medical (drug induced) abortion accounts for at least half of all pregnancy terminations in most of these countries.

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Re: Trucker convoy (non-censor edition)
« Reply #51 on: February 01, 2022, 11:27:20 am »
When a woman is forced to carry a pregnancy to term, with all the physical risks, financial and emotional hardships that entails, then you have made her rights subordinate to those of a non-sentient clump of matter.

What is "personhood" anyway?

Ad hominem.

anyway, here's some actual facts about abortion:

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Perfect.  If such a small percentage take place after 12 weeks, whatís the problem then?  You should be onboard with proposed changes.  Even just a little infanticide is still too much.  Sorry buddy.

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« Reply #52 on: February 01, 2022, 11:27:50 am »
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« Reply #53 on: February 01, 2022, 11:30:24 am »
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Real truckers are vaccinated at a higher rate than the general population. And they're actually still working, and maintaining (not disrupting) the supply chain.
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« Reply #54 on: February 01, 2022, 11:36:09 am »
Perfect.  If such a small percentage take place after 12 weeks, whatís the problem then?  You should be onboard with proposed changes.  Even just a little infanticide is still too much.  Sorry buddy.

Idiot.

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But other factors, such as mandatory waiting periods for medical abortion and healthcare professionalsí conscientious objection, can delay or prevent women from accessing timely abortion care, note the researchers.

In Italy, for example, ďit is estimated that 82%-91% of providers in Rome and the surrounding areas are conscientious objectors, and abortion services are only provided in 60% of Italian hospitals,Ē they point out.

Unintended pregnancy rates are highest in countries that restrict abortion access and lowest in countries where abortion is broadly legal. Abortion rates are similar in countries where abortion is restricted and those where the procedure is broadly legal. So morons like you who want to regulate women's bodies are actually contributing to more abortions than those of us who want to keep it safe and accessible.
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Re: Trucker convoy (non-censor edition)
« Reply #55 on: February 01, 2022, 11:37:05 am »
Real truckers are vaccinated at a higher rate than the general population. And they're actually still working, and maintaining (not disrupting) the supply chain.

Except for the ones who are trying to deliver goods across one of Canada's busiest border crossings who are being blocked by the chuds.
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« Reply #57 on: February 01, 2022, 11:54:24 am »
This is awesome!  She brings up Trudeau blackface right to his smug POS face during question period!
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Re: Trucker convoy (non-censor edition)
« Reply #58 on: February 01, 2022, 01:25:00 pm »
We're supposed to give a **** what MAGA Murphy Brown has to say?


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« Reply #59 on: February 01, 2022, 01:56:36 pm »
We're supposed to give a **** what MAGA Murphy Brown has to say?


Why not?  We give a **** about what blackface Turdeau says.