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« Reply #2895 on: December 05, 2022, 09:34:00 pm »
It’s true but it’s not like Trudeau invented this sort of thing. And from a realpolitik standpoint he’s not wrong to do so when the voting bloc most effected by this is one that would probably never vote liberal anyway. Maybe if rural Canadians were persuadable, their interests would actually be looked out for by the two major parties but neither really GAF.

Persuaded of what?
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« Reply #2896 on: December 05, 2022, 09:35:35 pm »
Persuaded of what?

To vote Liberal. The Liberal party doesn’t care about them because they’ll never vote for them and the Conservatives don’t care because they always will.

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« Reply #2897 on: December 05, 2022, 09:47:09 pm »
To vote Liberal. The Liberal party doesn’t care about them because they’ll never vote for them and the Conservatives don’t care because they always will.

Exactly, anyone who doesn't vote Liberal is just cannon fodder. Their rights and needs don't count. So much for representing all Canadians.

Politics just used to be about pork, now it is victimizing people who probably won't vote for you.
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« Reply #2898 on: December 05, 2022, 11:45:58 pm »
My city is overrun with murders via hunting rifles.  Not.
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« Reply #2899 on: December 06, 2022, 08:22:17 am »
Did you hear about the latest shooting in Toronto with a hunting rifle?  No?  Right, because it doesn't happen.

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« Reply #2900 on: December 06, 2022, 08:52:44 am »
It does appear they've tried to ram through a ban of a bunch of long guns that Law-abiding hunters and target shooters own.

And now they're lying about it and using the Polytechnique shooting as cover.

Quite despicable actually.

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« Reply #2901 on: December 06, 2022, 09:53:03 am »
It does appear they've tried to ram through a ban of a bunch of long guns that Law-abiding hunters and target shooters own.

And now they're lying about it and using the Polytechnique shooting as cover.

Quite despicable actually.

The thing about Price bugged me as well. He is FN from Anaheim Lake in nowhere BC, half way between Williams Lake and Bella Coola. He would have been hunting and fishing since he could walk.
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« Reply #2902 on: December 06, 2022, 09:55:06 am »
Exactly, anyone who doesn't vote Liberal is just cannon fodder. Their rights and needs don't count. So much for representing all Canadians.

Politics just used to be about pork, now it is victimizing people who probably won't vote for you.

Cons are the same, explicitly so.

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« Reply #2903 on: December 06, 2022, 09:55:39 am »
It does appear they've tried to ram through a ban of a bunch of long guns that Law-abiding hunters and target shooters own.

And now they're lying about it and using the Polytechnique shooting as cover.

Quite despicable actually.

Source?

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« Reply #2904 on: December 06, 2022, 09:57:37 am »
The thing about Price bugged me as well. He is FN from Anaheim Lake in nowhere BC, half way between Williams Lake and Bella Coola. He would have been hunting and fishing since he could walk.

The issue isn't his position, it's his endorsement of the CCFR which was recently mocking the École Polytechnique shooting by using POLY as a promo code for their website. Also, him claiming to have never heard of the shooting doesn't pass the smell test since he literally lived in Montreal for 15 years.

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« Reply #2905 on: December 06, 2022, 10:34:23 am »
Source?

Watch QP from yesterday. The Minister was pressed on why the government appears to be banning traditional long guns and all he could deny it and cite AR style rifles and the Polytechnique shooting.


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« Reply #2906 on: December 06, 2022, 10:49:56 am »
The issue isn't his position, it's his endorsement of the CCFR which was recently mocking the École Polytechnique shooting by using POLY as a promo code for their website. Also, him claiming to have never heard of the shooting doesn't pass the smell test since he literally lived in Montreal for 15 years.

I also think he probably knew about the shooting but I also have no problem believing he wouldn't have known about a promo code or even caught on if he did see it. Not everyone is constantly looking for alterior motives.
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« Reply #2907 on: December 06, 2022, 11:21:38 am »
I also think he probably knew about the shooting but I also have no problem believing he wouldn't have known about a promo code or even caught on if he did see it. Not everyone is constantly looking for alterior motives.

I also don't think he knew about that, but it's a good idea to know who you're endorsing and, as I said earlier, the CCFA being NRA-style nuts doesn't help the cause at all.

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« Reply #2908 on: December 06, 2022, 11:26:59 am »
Watch QP from yesterday. The Minister was pressed on why the government appears to be banning traditional long guns and all he could deny it and cite AR style rifles and the Polytechnique shooting.



I don't think that's "using it for cover" but it is pretty clumsy (and factually incorrect; IIIRC Lepine used a Ruger mini 14, not an AR-style weapon).

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Re: The Trudeau Brand
« Reply #2909 on: December 06, 2022, 11:34:29 am »
The issue isn't his position, it's his endorsement of the CCFR which was recently mocking the École Polytechnique shooting by using POLY as a promo code for their website. Also, him claiming to have never heard of the shooting doesn't pass the smell test since he literally lived in Montreal for 15 years.
The shooting was over 3 decades ago, and Price would have been ~2-3 years old at the time.

Just how much publicity does the shooting currently get in Montreal? Are there regular commemorations/memorials of it in the city? Do the Canadiens ever have a "moment of silence for the victims" before any of their games?

Things like this do tend to fade from the public eye over time. (I mean, I could mention Denis Lortie to people and I'd probably get a blank stare from half of them.) And Price did live in a pretty isolated community for much of his younger life. Plus, being close to the U.S., we get a constant feed of American-based shootings. So I think its possible that maybe he was unaware of the École Polytechnique shootings. (Although I stand to be corrected if someone can point to any sort of regular events in the city that he would have been aware of that highlighted the shootings.)