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« Reply #1155 on: February 17, 2021, 01:46:26 pm »
The federal government showed so little interest in them that they funded their phase 1 trials.

5 million out of the 413.7 million going to various companies for research and production of vaccines. And that doesn't include the NRC site.
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« Reply #1156 on: February 17, 2021, 02:17:49 pm »
5 million out of the 413.7 million going to various companies for research and production of vaccines. And that doesn't include the NRC site.

Right - which means that other projects were far more worthy of funding.

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« Reply #1157 on: February 17, 2021, 02:28:33 pm »
Right - which means that other projects were far more worthy of funding.

Yet Manitoba has signed a deal for 20 million doses of their vaccine.
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« Reply #1158 on: February 17, 2021, 03:02:07 pm »
Yet Manitoba has signed a deal for 20 million doses of their vaccine.

Yes, our premier just gave away 7M dollars.

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« Reply #1159 on: February 17, 2021, 03:03:56 pm »
If mRNA is the future of vaccines, I'm surprised the federal government has shown such little interest in Providence. I hope that changes.

Oct 2020 presser from Providence highlighting Liberal government support... phase 1 trial just started a few weeks back now - last week in January.



as for the earlier reference to Manitoba/Conservative Premier Pallister's lame-assed move, Pallister had to 'save face' after he falsely claimed the federal government was preventing the provinces/Manitoba from purchasing vaccines directly. So Pallister sure showed em, hey: that potential Providence vaccine, if all trial requirements prove successful... skepticism abounds that Providence could even have a vaccine in production by year-end!

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« Reply #1160 on: February 17, 2021, 03:15:17 pm »
Yes, our premier just gave away 7M dollars.

Did he? Time will tell.

I'm not in favour of provinces getting into bidding wars for vaccines but leaving themselves at the mercy of the federal government can have its downside as well.
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« Reply #1161 on: February 17, 2021, 03:21:29 pm »
I'm not in favour of provinces getting into bidding wars for vaccines but leaving themselves at the mercy of the federal government can have its downside as well.

in regards covid-19, please detail your implied merciless actions of the Liberal federal government towards the provinces... waiting!

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« Reply #1162 on: February 17, 2021, 03:26:33 pm »
I never said they were merciless, quit making stuff up.

As it stands, the provinces are at the mercy of whatever decisions the feds make on vaccines, whether good or bad.
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« Reply #1163 on: February 26, 2021, 07:11:29 am »
NO PHARMACARE FOR YOU!

That's now the Trudeau brand and I hope the NDP continues to drive home the point that the Liberals have failed to deliver on that promise for 30 years now!

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« Reply #1164 on: February 26, 2021, 12:41:31 pm »
NO PHARMACARE FOR YOU!

That's now the Trudeau brand and I hope the NDP continues to drive home the point that the Liberals have failed to deliver on that promise for 30 years now!

the waldo is quite taken aback by your purposeful disregard for the Canadian constitution and just how federalism works!

Quote from: Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister of Canada
The NDP are pulling a political stunt to try to demonstrate that it could do it with the wave of a magic wand. We work in the real world here. No Canadian should have to make a choice between buying medication and putting food on the table. We will therefore continue to work towards national universal pharmacare. We will do so in respect of the Constitution and in partnership with the provinces and not impose a political decision from Ottawa. We believe in partnership as the path forward.



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« Reply #1165 on: February 26, 2021, 12:59:59 pm »
the waldo is quite taken aback by your purposeful disregard for the Canadian constitution and just how federalism works!
the cybercoma is quite taken aback by your purposeful disregard for the Canadian Health Act and just how federalism works!

The NDP proposed a universal framework for pharmacare coverage and not a mish-mash of different policies in each province with the power of centralized taxation....you know, the exact same thing that exists for healthcare funding across the country that guarantees no matter where you are in the country you receive the same standard of care.

How partisan of you to pretend like you don't realize that.
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« Reply #1166 on: February 26, 2021, 02:24:06 pm »
the cybercoma is quite taken aback by your purposeful disregard for the Canadian Health Act and just how federalism works!

The NDP proposed a universal framework for pharmacare coverage and not a mish-mash of different policies in each province with the power of centralized taxation....you know, the exact same thing that exists for healthcare funding across the country that guarantees no matter where you are in the country you receive the same standard of care.

How partisan of you to pretend like you don't realize that.

partisan? Says you, a long-standing supporter of the NDP! In any case, this is, of course, simply re-cycled tripe that was left on the perogy table last fall. It's laughable how you dance between the labeling 'Universal Pharmacare' &, as you weaselWord, "a universal framework"!  ;D

Quote from: NDP leader Singh... sensitive to being called out for his stunt play
My party is not misleading Canadians by suggesting the bill’s passage would have ushered in pharmacare. It would have been a key step in that direction.

by the by, what's the verdict on backbencher bills and their ability to (as in no ability to) actually spend money, hey?

and... the NDP is being called out on their outright hypocrisy in arguing that their bill C-213 would act on the 2019 report from the government’s advisory panel on pharmacare - as chaired by former Ontario Liberal health minister Eric Hoskins. It was this panel's final report that recommended:

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Ottawa work with provinces and territories on a pharmacare system reflecting the five principles of: public, portable, comprehensive, universal, and accessible. The report also recommended the federal government “enshrine the principles and national standards of pharmacare in federal legislation, separate and distinct from the Canada Health Act, to demonstrate its ongoing commitment to partnership on national pharmacare and provide for a dedicated funding arrangement.

so which is it, as you say within/a part of the Canada Health Act... or per the Hoskin's panel recommendation, separate and distinct from the Canada Health Act? Which is it, hey?
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« Reply #1167 on: February 26, 2021, 09:22:28 pm »
In most if not all provinces you can apply for government drug benefits that will pay for your drugs after a small deductible if you're low-income.
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« Reply #1168 on: February 27, 2021, 02:07:42 am »
and... the NDP is being called out on their outright hypocrisy in arguing that their bill C-213 would act on the 2019 report from the government’s advisory panel on pharmacare - as chaired by former Ontario Liberal health minister Eric Hoskins. It was this panel's final report that recommended:

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Ottawa work with provinces and territories on a pharmacare system reflecting the five principles of: public, portable, comprehensive, universal, and accessible. The report also recommended the federal government “enshrine the principles and national standards of pharmacare in federal legislation, separate and distinct from the Canada Health Act, to demonstrate its ongoing commitment to partnership on national pharmacare and provide for a dedicated funding arrangement.



=> Final Report of the Advisory Council on the Implementation of National Pharmacare

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« Reply #1169 on: February 28, 2021, 09:10:30 am »
The NDP proposed a universal framework for pharmacare coverage and not a mish-mash of different policies in each province with the power of centralized taxation

In fairness, I think at least 4 provinces have said they're not interested in that. They may...okay...do...have Conservative premiers.

One positive step is the Canadian Drug Agency that should hopefully see savings, or at least control cost growth, for all of us.