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Re: The Trudeau Brand
« Reply #540 on: October 30, 2020, 01:57:04 pm »
Heh! Wilbur is the right's talking point without the substance needed to make him interesting.
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« Reply #541 on: October 30, 2020, 02:33:54 pm »
So does growth.

Explain, with data evidence.
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« Reply #542 on: October 30, 2020, 02:58:27 pm »

Gorgeous, I think the line about actively searching for work has been created to appease rightists. It sounds great on the surface but it can't be applied more strictly than it already is being applied

I'm pretty sure it's being applied more strictly than my personal experience with it for a couple of months 25 years ago.

My preference would be to relax it a bit or just leave it alone, while you preference appears to make the rules stricter.

It's created to try and prevent fraud, but if there's no enforcement mechanism it's not that effective.  Also, why would you want to relax restrictions on defrauding the government?

They have random information sessions for EI claimants where invitees who attend need to bring a list of employers they've contacted.  If they don't show up with a list they are simply reminded during the sessions of their rights and responsibilities.

I knew someone who was 64 and lost his job and instead of looking for work decided to just claim EI for the 6 months before he turned 65 where he could thereafter claim CPP. So basically retired early. This is illegal, you have to be actively searching for work while on EI, it says so right in the EI agreement, but if there's nothing to enforce rules people will break them.  How many people would obey parking signs and/or pay for parking if you never got a ticket?

Some people will also try to defraud the CERB program and other COVID programs.  People who could potentially work but prefer to stay on CERB harms the economy and taxpayers.
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Re: The Trudeau Brand
« Reply #544 on: October 30, 2020, 03:47:38 pm »
Heh! Wilbur is the right's talking point without the substance needed to make him interesting.

Fiscal reality has nothing to do with being "right", it exists whether any of us like it or not.
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« Reply #545 on: October 30, 2020, 05:40:02 pm »
It's created to try and prevent fraud, but if there's no enforcement mechanism it's not that effective.  Also, why would you want to relax restrictions on defrauding the government?

That's not what we were talking about. And I don't consider most of it as defrauding the government.

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They have random information sessions for EI claimants where invitees who attend need to bring a list of employers they've contacted.  If they don't show up with a list they are simply reminded during the sessions of their rights and responsibilities.

Now we're back to what we were talking about. I'm not all that concerned mainly because the system now needs to be able to support people who are unemployed. So for instance a person who had a job that has  been eliminated due to automation, say a school teacher for the sake of argument, shouldn't  be expected to take a job as a labourer.

Don't forget that talking to me is like talking to a bleeding heart socialist, so there won't be much satisfaction coming out of it for you. I just feel that the system is responsible for the people who are unemployed.

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I knew someone who was 64 and lost his job and instead of looking for work decided to just claim EI for the 6 months before he turned 65 where he could thereafter claim CPP. So basically retired early. This is illegal, you have to be actively searching for work while on EI, it says so right in the EI agreement, but if there's nothing to enforce rules people will break them.  How many people would obey parking signs and/or pay for parking if you never got a ticket?

I can't say I have much feeling for your story about the 64 year old guy. But please don't think I'm in favour of allowing widespread cheating on the system to the poinit of breaking it. I just would allow more than you I suppose.  Funny thing though about parking tickets. I think most Canadians pay them but many Americans just ignore them. That begs a pretty important question doesn't it!

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Some people will also try to defraud the CERB program and other COVID programs.  People who could potentially work but prefer to stay on CERB harms the economy and taxpayers.

I think we would have to be able to come  to some sort of method to determine just how much I would be in favour of allowing, as opposed to your priorities. But I think I can safely say that I would be able to allow more cheating than you would.

Isn't it interesting that unemployment due to automation has especially hurt workers in the US, and their system hasn't made adjustments to correct the inequities! So Americans who once earned high wages can no longer find good paying jobs and so have to work two service industry jobs such as MacD's hamburger teams.

In Canada we must do better than that and so I'm not especiallly disturbed with some people cheating the EI (UI) system.

Have I succeeded in softening your heart a little bit?

Sounds like JMT didn't have the time for it and just scoffed it  off to experience? I think he/she is a bigger bleeding heart than me, and that's going some!!
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« Reply #546 on: October 30, 2020, 06:03:59 pm »
Pointless. It happens. Get over it.

https://fee.org/articles/the-miracle-of-compounding-growth-applies-to-economic-policy-too/

If we make claims they should be backed by evidence and data.

You googled "gdp compound growth" and then posted a url from the first article that came up.  Let's pick a longterm period, say 50 years, 100 years and whatnot.  If growth compounds, and interest compounds, what are the cost vs benefits to the country over those 50 to 100 years when adding, for example, 100 billion in gov debt spending?  After those 50 or 100 years etc, are we projected to be better off economically from the investment, after factoring in inflation and all other factors?  That's the main question anyone, including us, should be looking at.

This simply comes down to math, and somebody smarter than us needs to show their work, then we'll know the answer.
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« Reply #547 on: October 30, 2020, 06:23:50 pm »
Canada is the 2nd most stable country in the world economically. 

You guys don’t factor that into your dooms-day scenarios at all.   ::)

You’re blowing a bunch of smoke.

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« Reply #548 on: October 30, 2020, 06:24:57 pm »
Canada is the 2nd most stable country in the world economically. 

You guys don’t factor that into your dooms-day scenarios at all.   ::)

You’re blowing a bunch of smoke.

The Great Depression affected every country.
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« Reply #549 on: October 30, 2020, 06:30:06 pm »
The Great Depression affected every country.

Yeah....   and we won’t be avoiding a worldwide depression, regardless of the deficit. If Canada sinks, the whole world will have already done so.

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« Reply #550 on: October 30, 2020, 06:35:19 pm »
Yeah....   and we won’t be avoiding a worldwide depression, regardless of the deficit. If Canada sinks, the whole world will have already done so.
Maybe. Canadians used to be frugal, now they carry more personal debt than anyone else. Times change.
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« Reply #551 on: October 30, 2020, 06:54:07 pm »
Maybe. Canadians used to be frugal, now they carry more personal debt than anyone else. Times change.
We used to be the fiscal envy of the world.  Then Trudeau was elected.  And blew up all the hard work and sacrifice of the mid 90s to mid 2000s.  We were on pace to complete eliminate our debt, as long as we didn’t do anything stupid.  Enter Justin fucknut Trudeau.  It’s funny watching economic illiterates defending him.
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« Reply #552 on: October 30, 2020, 07:36:05 pm »
We used to be the fiscal envy of the world.  Then Trudeau was elected.  And blew up all the hard work and sacrifice of the mid 90s to mid 2000s.  We were on pace to complete eliminate our debt, as long as we didn’t do anything stupid.  Enter Justin fucknut Trudeau.  It’s funny watching economic illiterates defending him.

Ranked 2nd most economically stable country in the world.

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« Reply #553 on: October 30, 2020, 07:36:39 pm »
We used to be the fiscal envy of the world.  Then Trudeau was elected.  And blew up all the hard work and sacrifice of the mid 90s to mid 2000s.  We were on pace to complete eliminate our debt, as long as we didn’t do anything stupid.  Enter Justin fucknut Trudeau.  It’s funny watching economic illiterates defending him.

Read the pre covid pbo report: https://www.pbo-dpb.gc.ca/en/blog/news/RP-1920-029-S-fiscal-sustainability-report-2020-rapport-viabilite-financiere-2020

Canada’s federal finances were extremely healthy.

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« Reply #554 on: October 30, 2020, 07:37:43 pm »
If we make claims they should be backed by evidence and data.

You googled "gdp compound growth" and then posted a url from the first article that came up.  Let's pick a longterm period, say 50 years, 100 years and whatnot.  If growth compounds, and interest compounds, what are the cost vs benefits to the country over those 50 to 100 years when adding, for example, 100 billion in gov debt spending?  After those 50 or 100 years etc, are we projected to be better off economically from the investment, after factoring in inflation and all other factors?  That's the main question anyone, including us, should be looking at.

This simply comes down to math, and somebody smarter than us needs to show their work, then we'll know the answer.

People smarter than you are answering. You’re just choosing to dismiss It. Like I said, it’s pointless.