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Offline wilber

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« Reply #375 on: June 22, 2020, 11:18:04 am »
Nothing to be disappointed about.  Chinese gov are a-holes who laid charges on the 2 michael's in retaliation for the judge's decision on Meng's case.  China has zero rule of law, their judiciary is an arm of the ruling party with zero independence.

But hey, maybe JT shouldn't complain since he tried to strong-arm our independent judiciary for SNC-Lavalin.

China is making open threats that if we don’t play nice with Meng, things will get worse for the Micheals and they are. JT did play dumb ass with SNC but also got smacked down for doing so.  JT represents this country, not himself.

It’s just too damn bad our system won’t allow us to throw Meng in a hole like the Chinese have the Micheals.

Bell and Telus deciding not to go with Huawei is hardly a ringing endorsement for this government’s inaction. Quite the opposite.
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« Reply #376 on: June 22, 2020, 03:45:37 pm »

It’s just too damn bad our system won’t allow us to throw Meng in a hole like the Chinese have the Micheals.

Ya, cos that would REALLY help! <sarcasm>

That's the kind of knee-jerk reaction that could cause a war.

Btw ... does anybody know what the two Michaels were up to in China? Corporate espionage perhaps? I have not heard a lot of outcry for them. Curious ...

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« Reply #377 on: June 22, 2020, 04:09:33 pm »
Ya, cos that would REALLY help! <sarcasm>

That's the kind of knee-jerk reaction that could cause a war.

Btw ... does anybody know what the two Michaels were up to in China? Corporate espionage perhaps? I have not heard a lot of outcry for them. Curious ...

So China gets to commit any abuses it wants but any responding in kind could cause a war. It's that kind of wimpish non committal foreign policy that cost Trudeau a Security Council seat. Lots of airy fairy rhetoric but nothing to back it up.
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« Reply #378 on: June 22, 2020, 04:49:52 pm »
Ya, cos that would REALLY help! <sarcasm>

That's the kind of knee-jerk reaction that could cause a war.

Btw ... does anybody know what the two Michaels were up to in China? Corporate espionage perhaps? I have not heard a lot of outcry for them. Curious ...

I've read bio's on them.  One of them used to work for the dept of Foreign Affairs in Canada.  Could be corporate espionage, I suspect they're government spies for CSIS or whatnot.

A knee-jerk reaction leading to war is imprisoning 2 Canadians without charge in retaliation for one of your citizens legitimately breaking the law.

IMO, every western country should set up their manufacturing in another large 3rd world country like India.  That way we have leverage if China or India acts up.  We can simply require companies to move a certain amount of business to the other country if they act up.  Putting all our eggs in one basket was a bad idea.

China doesn't have a lot of leverage.  They depend on Western manufacturing business big-time.  They own a bunch of western debt though.
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« Reply #379 on: June 22, 2020, 08:55:15 pm »
IMO, every western country should set up their manufacturing in another large 3rd world country like India.  That way we have leverage if China or India acts up.  We can simply require companies to move a certain amount of business to the other country if they act up.  Putting all our eggs in one basket was a bad idea.

A number of countries have been encouraging companies to move manufacturing out of China, in wake of COVID-19. Having all of your eggs in one basket is risky, as people found out when China was shut down due to covid.  People are looking for ways to diversify their supply chains to be less dependent on China.

China doesn't have a lot of leverage.  They depend on Western manufacturing business big-time.  They own a bunch of western debt though.

A few things we could consider:
 --eliminate "birthright citizenship".
 --issue advisories against travel to China.
 --put a moratorium on foreign real estate buyers.
 --use Magnitsky powers to seize assets connected to China Communist Party officials.


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Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #380 on: June 22, 2020, 09:19:39 pm »
Not following this thread... there doesn't seem to be an understanding of China's power, and generally the power of private businesses in pushing back on government fiat.

Remember that DURING Covid 19, 3M pushed back on Trump telling them to NOT export masks.  Business isn't really used to being order to locate hither and yon.

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« Reply #381 on: June 22, 2020, 09:30:33 pm »
Business isn't really used to being order to locate hither and yon.

Japan, and I believe the US and some European nations, aren't ordering companies to relocate, but they are incentivizing it.

Apple has already committed to moving something like 30% of their manufacturing from China to India. And not motivated by a desire to "get" China, but simply by the realization that they stand to lose a lot of money next time China gets shut down by a disease outbreak.

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« Reply #382 on: June 22, 2020, 09:50:01 pm »
Foreign leaders think Trudeau is a freaking joke.

Oh, you talked to them?
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« Reply #383 on: June 23, 2020, 09:24:57 am »
Japan, and I believe the US and some European nations, aren't ordering companies to relocate, but they are incentivizing it.

Interesting.  Well that could run afowl of trade agreements, and it will cost money ... but it is a solution.

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Apple has already committed to moving something like 30% of their manufacturing from China to India. And not motivated by a desire to "get" China, but simply by the realization that they stand to lose a lot of money next time China gets shut down by a disease outbreak.
 

Any country can be the source of disease outbreak, so that doesn't make sense.  TBH the fact that 3M was able to still export masks is a strong vote for global trade COOPERATION.

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« Reply #384 on: June 23, 2020, 03:45:12 pm »
Any country can be the source of disease outbreak, so that doesn't make sense.  TBH the fact that 3M was able to still export masks is a strong vote for global trade COOPERATION.

While this is true, China is a much higher risk of disease outbreaks due to their population density and the Petry dish of disease in their live animal meat markets.

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« Reply #385 on: June 23, 2020, 07:30:53 pm »
Not following this thread... there doesn't seem to be an understanding of China's power, and generally the power of private businesses in pushing back on government fiat.

Remember that DURING Covid 19, 3M pushed back on Trump telling them to NOT export masks.  Business isn't really used to being order to locate hither and yon.

The government should be able to put limits on business with China if it's in our national security interests.

The Chinese government is arbitrarily imprisoning and charging Canadians with crimes for political purposes FFS.  Are we going to take it up the arse or do something about it?

We need leverage to force them to play by the rules in good faith.  I don't see any other way but by hitting their pocketbook.
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« Reply #387 on: June 23, 2020, 09:35:14 pm »
Not following this thread... there doesn't seem to be an understanding of China's power, and generally the power of private businesses in pushing back on government fiat.

Remember that DURING Covid 19, 3M pushed back on Trump telling them to NOT export masks.  Business isn't really used to being order to locate hither and yon.

If there is a lesson in this, it should be that allowing yourself to become too dependent on other countries for essential items is not a good idea. Every country will be looking after #1 first when it comes to something that threatens everyone.
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« Reply #389 on: June 24, 2020, 01:05:57 pm »
The government should be able to put limits on business with China if it's in our national security interests.

There's no doubt that they can. 

How much do you want to pay for that ?  Seriously, if it was coming out of your pocket what would you write a check for, to get rid of our relationship with China ?

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The Chinese government is arbitrarily imprisoning and charging Canadians with crimes for political purposes FFS.  Are we going to take it up the arse or do something about it?

How much do you want to pay for that ?  Seriously, if it was coming out of your pocket what would you write a check for, to get rid of our relationship with China ?


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We need leverage to force them to play by the rules in good faith.  I don't see any other way but by hitting their pocketbook.

How much do you want to pay for that ?  Seriously, if it was coming out of your pocket what would you write a check for, to get rid of our relationship with China ?

To add:
The USA gives exactly ZERO f*cks about us and will not stand up and do anything to protect us either.