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« Reply #75 on: April 01, 2019, 07:14:07 pm »
Mostly built on real estate. Gas prices on the lower mainland are hitting $1.60 a litre and you can buy it just across the border for $.90 a litre. All that money going south and Vancouver real estate has just had its worst March since 1986. The place has made itself too expensive and uncompetitive and there is a reckoning just around the corner.  Almost everything you consume comes to you in transport powered by ICE's as do many of the services you use. These taxes are inflationary.

You are wasting your breath. Trying to explain basic economic concepts to a liberal patoot is like explaining contraception to a devout
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« Reply #76 on: April 01, 2019, 07:19:37 pm »
You are wasting your breath. Trying to explain basic economic concepts to a liberal patoot is like explaining contraception to a devout
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You really do seem to get your jollies out of crude references don't ya. Where did your mama go wrong I wonder.

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« Reply #77 on: April 01, 2019, 07:32:21 pm »
Mostly built on real estate. Gas prices on the lower mainland are hitting $1.60 a litre and you can buy it just across the border for $.90 a litre. All that money going south and Vancouver real estate has just had its worst March since 1986. The place has made itself too expensive and uncompetitive and there is a reckoning just around the corner.  Almost everything you consume comes to you in transport powered by ICE's as do many of the services you use. These taxes are inflationary.

There are a lot more businesses in BC besides selling houses. They have generally done well even while reducing CO2 emissions while at the same time returning the taxes to taxpayers in the form of provincial income tax reductions.

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« Reply #78 on: April 01, 2019, 07:32:37 pm »
A person who drinks or smokes will not stop either because of a tax increase and neither will people buying gas stop buying it if you increase the gas tas.bThe government taxes an addiction knowing you are held captive by your addiction andc will pay the tax?

The government wants you to remain addicted and keep paying such taxes.

If it really wanted you to change it would provide tax incentives and deductions to encourage  switching to non polluting energy.

Interesting the same liberals who  believe in punishment is not a deterrent to prevent rime think it's a deterrent to using diesel fuel.
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« Reply #79 on: April 01, 2019, 07:41:21 pm »
You really do seem to get your jollies out of crude references don't ya. Where did your mama go wrong I wonder.

My mama is dead but she taught me how to spot a liberal patoot. Early detection is crucial to prevent its spread.
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« Reply #80 on: April 01, 2019, 07:47:41 pm »
There are a lot more businesses in BC besides selling houses. They have generally done well even while reducing CO2 emissions while at the same time returning the taxes to taxpayers in the form of provincial income tax reductions.

Not hard to tell you don't live in BC.
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« Reply #81 on: April 01, 2019, 08:36:20 pm »
Not hard to tell you don't live in BC.

Have done for the past 36 years.

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« Reply #82 on: April 01, 2019, 08:40:50 pm »
A person who drinks or smokes will not stop either because of a tax increase and neither will people buying gas stop buying it if you increase the gas tas.bThe government taxes an addiction knowing you are held captive by your addiction andc will pay the tax?

The government wants you to remain addicted and keep paying such taxes.

If it really wanted you to change it would provide tax incentives and deductions to encourage  switching to non polluting energy.

Interesting the same liberals who  believe in punishment is not a deterrent to prevent rime think it's a deterrent to using diesel fuel.

If you can't lick your addiction to booze or tobacco, that's your problem. Creating incentives to switch to non polluting energy is what carbon taxes do, and have been successful doing at least in BC.

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« Reply #83 on: April 01, 2019, 09:22:09 pm »
There are a lot more businesses in BC besides selling houses. They have generally done well even while reducing CO2 emissions while at the same time returning the taxes to taxpayers in the form of provincial income tax reductions.

That stopped in 2013/14. In the latest budget the NDP got rid of the law entirely that required the carbon tax to be returned in the form of other tax cuts. It just goes into the big pot now. The same will happen with all the carbon taxes, including Justin’s.

There is really no link between carbon taxes and reduced emissions, people and business are now taking climate change seriously and doing things on their own. Car dealers can’t keep up with demand for EV’s. Tesla is the top seller and almost all of them are too expensive to qualify for rebates. The US is reducing emissions at a greater rate than we are without carbon taxes.

Vancouver now has the most expensive fuel in North America with 54 cents a litre in taxes. Many industries have no other options like transport, marine and aviation. That will drag on the economy eventually.
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« Reply #84 on: April 01, 2019, 09:43:42 pm »
It's more science than it is propaganda. And in any case Trudeau is reacting to the science as opposed to Harper who tried to slip it under the rug.

It looks like the government in power used Environment Canada to create a report in order to sell the public on their carbon tax policy, and then it was "leaked" to CBC News and put as the #1 headline on the site the same day the carbon tax went into effect.  How is that a coincidence? This should disturb everyone regardless of party or ideology, and regardless of what anyone feels about the science or the carbon tax.
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« Reply #85 on: April 01, 2019, 09:52:08 pm »
That stopped in 2013/14. In the latest budget the NDP got rid of the law entirely that required the carbon tax to be returned in the form of other tax cuts. It just goes into the big pot now. The same will happen with all the carbon taxes, including Justin’s.

There is really no link between carbon taxes and reduced emissions, people and business are now taking climate change seriously and doing things on their own. Car dealers can’t keep up with demand for EV’s. Tesla is the top seller and almost all of them are too expensive to qualify for rebates. The US is reducing emissions at a greater rate than we are without carbon taxes.

Vancouver now has the most expensive fuel in North America with 54 cents a litre in taxes. Many industries have no other options like transport, marine and aviation. That will drag on the economy eventually.

Well it hasn't dragged it so far and independent analysis claims 8 of 10 families actually benefit from the rebates when all is said and done. 

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« Reply #86 on: April 01, 2019, 09:57:36 pm »
It looks like the government in power used Environment Canada to create a report in order to sell the public on their carbon tax policy, and then it was "leaked" to CBC News and put as the #1 headline on the site the same day the carbon tax went into effect.  How is that a coincidence? This should disturb everyone regardless of party or ideology, and regardless of what anyone feels about the science or the carbon tax.

It sounds as if you are trying to suggest the government told environment Canada what to put in their report.

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« Reply #87 on: April 01, 2019, 10:27:07 pm »
Well it hasn't dragged it so far and independent analysis claims 8 of 10 families actually benefit from the rebates when all is said and done.

It will. You can only tax so far and you have to remain competitive.  BC is pricing itself out of markets. Young proffesionals are leaving the lower mainland because it is just too expensive to ever get ahead.
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« Reply #88 on: April 02, 2019, 06:29:45 am »
Carbon tax coming in April 1 will mean gas prices across Canada will go up about 5 cents a litre.  Probably not the best way to help your poll #'s.
How quickly we forget that Carbon Tax was the market-based solution promoted by the Conservatives and is being implemented by the Liberals as a compromise. Now Conservatives want to pin this on Trudeau as if he just rammed this through out of thin air.

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« Reply #89 on: April 02, 2019, 06:31:08 am »
Yes they mean next to nothing. People don't budget their week to week expenses by an arbitrary tax rebate they get once a year.

It actually would, at least, be intellectually honest for them to use the money to help with R&D to help reduce carbon emissions through efficiencies and not punitive taxes.
And the tax rebate for exceeds the difference in price on what most people spend on gasoline in a year anyway. But let's not recognize that either.