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Offline wilber

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« Reply #465 on: October 26, 2020, 02:04:08 pm »
I donít think you understand the reality people are dealing with right now.

I think I do but there will be another reality coming and it might be worse.
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« Reply #466 on: October 26, 2020, 02:08:51 pm »
I think I do but there will be another reality coming and it might be worse.

Thatís a hypothetical. Whatís actually happening has to be dealt with.

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Re: The Trudeau Brand
« Reply #467 on: October 26, 2020, 02:12:29 pm »
I donít think you understand the reality people are dealing with right now.

no answer
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« Reply #468 on: October 26, 2020, 02:13:58 pm »
Thatís a hypothetical. Whatís actually happening has to be dealt with.

Even worse for Wilberís case, the hypothetical involves everyone paying more to pay off debt, probably when the economy is rolling along.   

The immediate is throwing thousands of people out of their homes, having thousands of mortgages going unpaid, having thousands not being able to afford food.  Even more businesses going bankrupt, having empty downtown buildings where rent is no longer being paid, etc, etc. 

I know which of these is more important for governments to focus on during a pandemic.
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« Reply #469 on: October 26, 2020, 02:31:59 pm »
Thatís a hypothetical. Whatís actually happening has to be dealt with.

There is nothing hypothetical about a massive debt. Trudeau said today they will continue borrowing with no fiscal anchor. Damn the torpedos and full print ahead.
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« Reply #470 on: October 26, 2020, 02:33:05 pm »
There is nothing hypothetical about a massive debt. Trudeau said today they will continue borrowing with no fiscal anchor. Damn the torpedos and full print ahead.

Thatís exactly the answer that should be given. COVID 19 is in charge, and weíre along for the ride. There are no fiscal anchors until we get through this.
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« Reply #471 on: October 26, 2020, 02:37:03 pm »
Thatís exactly the answer that should be given. COVID 19 is in charge, and weíre along for the ride. There are no fiscal anchors until we get through this.

When it finally appears, the anchor  could well end up dragging us down with it.
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« Reply #472 on: October 26, 2020, 02:37:40 pm »
 ;D
I think I do but there will be another reality coming and it might be worse.

The 'no answer' comment was meant for you, not for JMT.

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« Reply #473 on: October 26, 2020, 02:42:39 pm »
Thatís exactly the answer that should be given. COVID 19 is in charge, and weíre along for the ride. There are no fiscal anchors until we get through this.

Agreed. People with bank accounts and pensions can demonstrate such ignorance/arrogance when it suits them. I suspect spending in the short term will actually save us money in the long term, unless we choose to just turn a blind eye to families living on the streets.

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« Reply #474 on: October 26, 2020, 02:59:44 pm »
Strange that nobody feels confident enough to say whether the  'confidence' motion game is working best for the Liberals or the Conservatives!

I'm pretty sure now that Trudeau benefits from it more than the Conservatives or the NDP.

The Bloc? Probably good for them too.
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« Reply #475 on: October 26, 2020, 03:18:53 pm »
When it finally appears, the anchor  could well end up dragging us down with it.

Again, thatís hypothetical. COVID 19 is reality.

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« Reply #476 on: October 26, 2020, 03:36:12 pm »
Again, thatís hypothetical. COVID 19 is reality.

It's not hypothetical at all, it will have to be dealt with.
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« Reply #477 on: October 27, 2020, 03:20:36 pm »
There is nothing hypothetical about a massive debt. Trudeau said today they will continue borrowing with no fiscal anchor. Damn the torpedos and full print ahead.

It seems that Dr. Tedds agrees with me:

https://twitter.com/LindsayTedds/status/1320793865587027969?s=20

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« Reply #478 on: October 27, 2020, 03:29:09 pm »
It seems that Dr. Tedds agrees with me:

https://twitter.com/LindsayTedds/status/1320793865587027969?s=20

Appeal to authority fallacy.  People can find an economist to agree with any economic policy.  Economics is no less ideological than politics, because it is politics.  Marx and Milton Friedman were both economists and disagreed on everything.

But I'm with the gov on this, people need to eat and have a house over their heads.  What matters most here is that people and businesses defrauding the government is minimized and people who can't work are able to get their basic needs met.
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Re: The Trudeau Brand
« Reply #479 on: October 27, 2020, 03:37:39 pm »
Appeal to authority fallacy.  People can find an economist to agree with any economic policy.  Economics is no less ideological than politics, because it is politics.  Marx and Milton Friedman were both economists and disagreed on everything.

But I'm with the gov on this, people need to eat and have a house over their heads.  What matters most here is that people and businesses defrauding the government is minimized and people who can't work are able to get their basic needs met.

People such as Milton consider social responsibility toward the needs of the people to be a much less important consideration, if indeed in Milton's case, any consideration at all.

Was Milton wrong or right.
To me and my fellow leftists, he was wrong and I'm not afraid to say so.
It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said. ~M.T.