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Offline JMT

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« Reply #45 on: April 01, 2019, 12:38:41 pm »
I stopped reading at the words Fraser Institute.
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« Reply #46 on: April 01, 2019, 12:42:54 pm »
hey Boges... word on the street has it the 2 protestors weren't even from Grassy Narrows... and, yikes, weren't even indigenous! It looks like Dougie moved forward to provide provincial monies... as did the federal Liberal party. Wait, what's this - it seems MeanGirl#2 kinda sat on her philPot in moving the file forward... hey Boges was she just too engaged/preoccupied with that "thruthee thing"?

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« Reply #47 on: April 01, 2019, 01:07:10 pm »
I stopped reading at the words Fraser Institute.


It was a Globe and Mail editorial, but I guess you missed this part.

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The recent provincial budget not only makes plans to hike the carbon tax by two-thirds – rising from $30/tonne to $50/tonne by 2021 − but eliminates from law the requirement for offsetting tax cuts. From now on the Horgan government plans to use its carbon tax windfall to "create jobs, benefit communities and reduce climate pollution." In other words, all the usual things governments spend your tax dollars on already.



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« Reply #48 on: April 01, 2019, 01:24:25 pm »
Those reductions may have been achieved by simple conservation efforts based on the raised fuel efficiency of cars over that period.

People will absorb this tax grab and not change their behaviour all that much. People still have to drive to work, people still want to see friends and family.

And the rebate is a joke as well. It can't accurately calculate how much carbon you use and how much you deserve to get back. The rebates are based on averages.

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« Reply #49 on: April 01, 2019, 01:54:13 pm »
Those reductions may have been achieved by simple conservation efforts based on the raised fuel efficiency of cars over that period.

People will absorb this tax grab and not change their behaviour all that much. People still have to drive to work, people still want to see friends and family.

And the rebate is a joke as well. It can't accurately calculate how much carbon you use and how much you deserve to get back. The rebates are based on averages.

It has worked pretty well in BC since we started in 2008. Mostly revenue neutral and has reduced emissions by about 15%.

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« Reply #50 on: April 01, 2019, 01:57:18 pm »
It has worked pretty well in BC since we started in 2008. Mostly revenue neutral and has reduced emissions by about 15%.

How is it mostly? Is it being calculated based on each individual's emissions (that's rhetorical because that's impossible) or are they just re-distributing the money?

We'll continue to see a reduction in emissions simply because of more efficient technology. As we should be.

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« Reply #51 on: April 01, 2019, 02:02:35 pm »
How is it mostly? Is it being calculated based on each individual's emissions (that's rhetorical because that's impossible) or are they just re-distributing the money?

We'll continue to see a reduction in emissions simply because of more efficient technology. As we should be.

It is being calculated on overall fossil fuel consumption which is easy enough to measure.

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« Reply #52 on: April 01, 2019, 02:18:24 pm »
It is being calculated on overall fossil fuel consumption which is easy enough to measure.

Not by each person. What if you don't drive? Why would you qualify for any rebate?

What if you drive a lot? Then the rebate should be higher?

The only way to make it revenue neutral would be to claim all the things you buy that are subject to this tax and get the rebate as a percentage of that. And if that would be the case. What would the point be? It's just an extra level of government.

Also, HST is collected on top of the Carbon tax. A tax on a tax. So it's pretty much a Tax Grab.
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« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2019, 02:38:24 pm »
Not by each person. What if you don't drive? Why would you qualify for any rebate?

What if you drive a lot? Then the rebate should be higher?

The only way to make it revenue neutral would be to claim all the things you buy that are subject to this tax and get the rebate as a percentage of that. And if that would be the case. What would the point be? It's just an extra level of government.

Also, HST is collected on top of the Carbon tax. A tax on a tax. So it's pretty much a Tax Grab.

If you don't drive you save money but you probably also heat your house. If you drive a lot then you pay more. Overall it's based on average household costs and the rebates on that will render the tax revenue neutral overall.

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« Reply #54 on: April 01, 2019, 02:42:26 pm »
If you don't drive you save money but you probably also heat your house. If you drive a lot then you pay more. Overall it's based on average household costs and the rebates on that will render the tax revenue neutral overall.

So it's still a tax grab for certain people. AND there's still the whole HST on top of the tax thing, which I'm guess the Liberals won't be redistributing.

This whole move is just virtue signalling. People who think it'll do anything to actually reduce emissions are delusional.
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« Reply #55 on: April 01, 2019, 02:45:20 pm »
So it's still a tax grab for certain people. AND there's still the whole HST on top of the tax thing, which I'm guess the Liberals won't be redistributing.

This whole move is just virtue signalling. People who think it'll do anything to actually reduce emissions are delusional.

as previously pointed out it has reduced emissions in BC by 15%.
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« Reply #56 on: April 01, 2019, 02:52:27 pm »
as previously pointed out it has reduced emissions in BC by 15%.

Again, who says those reductions weren't met because of technological advances?

I drive a Hybrid now, so my emissions are far lower than they were in 2007.

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« Reply #57 on: April 01, 2019, 02:56:07 pm »
So it's still a tax grab for certain people.

That's sort of the point.  It's a sin tax on high carbon usage.
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« Reply #58 on: April 01, 2019, 02:57:06 pm »

It was a Globe and Mail editorial, but I guess you missed this part.

Yes, it appears that the NDP has changed the law, and so now it won't be revenue neutral.  Up until this point, it has very much been.  Any reduction in taxes is still a reduction in taxes.

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« Reply #59 on: April 01, 2019, 03:04:51 pm »
Yes, it appears that the NDP has changed the law, and so now it won't be revenue neutral.  Up until this point, it has very much been.  Any reduction in taxes is still a reduction in taxes.

Not in the face of a huge hike coming with a Carbon tax.