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Offline Coolio

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Re: The Trudeau Brand
« Reply #3210 on: February 07, 2023, 10:32:17 am »
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I am no fan of Trudeau.

However, the alternatives are worse.


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« Reply #3211 on: February 07, 2023, 10:42:48 am »
I am no fan of Trudeau.

However, the alternatives are worse.
Complete and utter nonsense.  This attitude is what leads to Canadians now feeling Canada is broken.
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« Reply #3212 on: February 07, 2023, 12:27:46 pm »
This attitude is what leads to Canadians now feeling Canada is broken.

Shady's ignorance on full display here! LOL!

That poll is three years old and predates the NDP/Liberal coalition by two years.

member Shady 'inadvertently' linking the 3-year old "poll" is gold, real gold! Nothing shows that the National Post is the propaganda arm of the CPC than to see it recycling the same misinforming "Canada is broken" bullshyte!

points-in-fact:
=> the Leger 'survey' is of members of its 'closed-shop' LEO community... where one can create an account to complete online surveys and earn LEO points, redeemable for exclusive gift cards, AIR MILES® Reward Miles, PayPal transfers and more. Don't forget to enter our contests for a chance to win one of our many monthly prizes!
=> Leger is "up-front" in describing its methodology as a non-probability online survey - where a margin of error is technically not reported.

Stats Canada on Non-probability sampling:
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Non-probability sampling is a method of selecting units from a population using a subjective (i.e. non-random) method. Since non-probability sampling does not require a complete survey frame, it is a fast, easy and inexpensive way of obtaining data. However, in order to draw conclusions about the population from the sample, it must assume that the sample is representative of the population. This is often a risky assumption to make in the case of non-probability sampling due to the difficulty of assessing whether the assumption holds. In addition, since elements are chosen arbitrarily, there is no way to estimate the probability of any one element being included in the sample. Also, no assurance is given that each item has a chance of being included, making it impossible either to estimate sampling variability or to identify possible bias.

Disadvantages of Non-probability Sampling:

Selection bias => In order to make inferences about the population, it requires strong assumptions about the similarity between the sample and the population even though the respondents are self-selected. Due to the selection bias presented in all non-probability samples, these are often dangerous assumptions to make. When generalization to the whole population is to be made, probability sampling should be performed instead.
Noncoverage (undercoverage) bias => Since some units in the population can have no chance of being included in the sample, it results noncoverage bias. For example, people without the internet at home might never be selected for a web panel and may differ from those with the internet.
Difficulty of assessing the quality => It is impossible to determine the probability that a unit in the population is selected for the sample, so reliable estimates and estimates of sampling error cannot be computed.

and, of course, PeePee revels in this misinformation... and lapdogs like Shady push the false talking point that "Canadians feel Canada is broken"... as distinct from Leger LEO community members takin' surveys for reward points. Hey Shady, is that your idea of random sampling? LOL!

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Re: The Trudeau Brand
« Reply #3213 on: February 07, 2023, 12:40:32 pm »
Shady's ignorance on full display here! LOL!

member Shady 'inadvertently' linking the 3-year old "poll" is gold, real gold! Nothing shows that the National Post is the propaganda arm of the CPC than to see it recycling the same misinforming "Canada is broken" bullshyte!

points-in-fact:
=> the Leger 'survey' is of members of its 'closed-shop' LEO community... where one can create an account to complete online surveys and earn LEO points, redeemable for exclusive gift cards, AIR MILES® Reward Miles, PayPal transfers and more. Don't forget to enter our contests for a chance to win one of our many monthly prizes!
=> Leger is "up-front" in describing its methodology as a non-probability online survey - where a margin of error is technically not reported.

Stats Canada on Non-probability sampling:
Disadvantages of Non-probability Sampling:

Selection bias => In order to make inferences about the population, it requires strong assumptions about the similarity between the sample and the population even though the respondents are self-selected. Due to the selection bias presented in all non-probability samples, these are often dangerous assumptions to make. When generalization to the whole population is to be made, probability sampling should be performed instead.
Noncoverage (undercoverage) bias => Since some units in the population can have no chance of being included in the sample, it results noncoverage bias. For example, people without the internet at home might never be selected for a web panel and may differ from those with the internet.
Difficulty of assessing the quality => It is impossible to determine the probability that a unit in the population is selected for the sample, so reliable estimates and estimates of sampling error cannot be computed.

and, of course, PeePee revels in this misinformation... and lapdogs like Shady push the false talking point that "Canadians feel Canada is broken"... as distinct from Leger LEO community members takin' surveys for reward points. Hey Shady, is that your idea of random sampling? LOL!
It’s the poll’s fault everybody thinks Turdeau sucks! 😂

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Re: The Trudeau Brand
« Reply #3214 on: February 07, 2023, 01:06:14 pm »
...everybody...

"everbody" - you mean that 67% of ~1550 Leger's closed-shop LEO community members who take surveys for "reward points" - notwithstanding a methodology that follows a non-probability sampling approach! Ya Shady, keep showcasing your ignorance!

Offline Spike The Hike Shady

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« Reply #3215 on: February 07, 2023, 01:52:54 pm »
"everbody" - you mean that 67% of ~1550 Leger's closed-shop LEO community members who take surveys for "reward points" - notwithstanding a methodology that follows a non-probability sampling approach! Ya Shady, keep showcasing your ignorance!
I’ll give you one thing.  You’re not a slimy rat like Bubber.  Who supports Trudeau, and then lies and says he doesn’t.

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« Reply #3216 on: February 07, 2023, 02:17:26 pm »
Such disloyalty! 
But I already told you I put up the #IStandWithTrudeau picture to trigger you. I left it up because I knew it would continue to haunt you. 🤣

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« Reply #3217 on: February 07, 2023, 03:40:35 pm »
Such disloyalty! 
But I already told you I put up the #IStandWithTrudeau picture to trigger you. I left it up because I knew it would continue to haunt you. 🤣
You don't have to apologize for being a Trudeau fan.  Everyone knows that you love him, you carry water for him on a regular basis.

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Re: The Trudeau Brand
« Reply #3218 on: February 07, 2023, 03:46:23 pm »
That's fine. I also don't think anyone really cares...other than you.

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« Reply #3219 on: February 07, 2023, 03:48:55 pm »
That's fine. I also don't think anyone really cares...other than you.
I don't really care, I just think it's funny.

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Re: The Trudeau Brand
« Reply #3220 on: February 07, 2023, 03:52:52 pm »
I don't really care, I just think it's funny.
You're very, very easily triggered, and it's so easy. 🤣

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« Reply #3221 on: February 07, 2023, 06:22:28 pm »

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Re: The Trudeau Brand
« Reply #3222 on: February 07, 2023, 06:46:34 pm »
How come right-wingers always want to make other people's choices for them?
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Re: The Trudeau Brand
« Reply #3223 on: February 07, 2023, 07:47:12 pm »


I never understood why people publish this rubbish, from extreme right wing sites.


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« Reply #3224 on: February 08, 2023, 01:42:13 am »
How come right-wingers always want to make other people's choices for them?

Are you not concerned at the idea of expanding MAiD to include people suffering from mental illness? David Lametti is concerned enough that he's putting it on hold. 

I'm glad that mom was able to choose her time. It was a blessing.  But she had either days or weeks, and no longer.  I think there's a big difference between allowing someone whose death is imminent and unavoidable to end it vs allowing people to choose to die in a variety of other circumstances.  Mental illness, in particular, raises alarm bells, because we tend to regard the well-known phrase "being of sound mind..." as a prerequisite to making major decisions.  How do you do safeguarding around the wishes of people who by definition may have impaired judgment?

When mom was interviewing the hospice doctor regarding her wish to die and filling out the paperwork, dad told the doctor "I want that too. I don't want to be here anymore. I want to go with her."  The doctor told him he wasn't' eligible. At the time, it was what what he wanted, but he's still alive and he's doing better now. He's going to be getting counselling. I'm grateful that he wasn't eligible. I'm leery of expanding access to MAiD in ways that would make people like dad eligible. The safeguarding has to be bulletproof. I realize that mental health care in this country is kind of a disaster, but MAiD can't be the solution.

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