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Online wilber

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« Reply #1275 on: June 01, 2021, 08:44:40 pm »
What about the fiscal irresponsibility of not accounting for the harm our economy does to our planets natural capital?

What planet do economists think our economy comes from?

Why wouldn't increasing the price of fuel in 1979 have the same environmental consequences as increasing it in 2021? Canadians were paying much lower than world price for oil at the time.
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« Reply #1276 on: June 01, 2021, 11:16:38 pm »
What about the fiscal irresponsibility of not accounting for the harm our economy does to our planets natural capital?

What planet do economists think our economy comes from?

Tragedy of the commons.  https://www.britannica.com/science/tragedy-of-the-commons

If nobody owns the air, oceans, lakes etc. then people will just use it even damaging it to maximize their use of it because it costs them little short-term while benefiting in profit.

The problem with carbon taxes etc is that the countries you compete with need to have them too otherwise you're just putting yourself at an economic disadvantage if it costs companies in your country more money to produce and sell goods/services.  If goods from country A cost more than goods from country B because country A has a carbon tax people won't buy or buy less from country A.  So here we are.  Very hard problem to solve, especially since climate agreements can't really be enforced.
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« Reply #1277 on: June 01, 2021, 11:26:44 pm »
great discussion points... but is the thread to have it in?
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« Reply #1278 on: June 04, 2021, 02:15:25 am »
This just seems like a remarkably pointless statement, from Liberal FB feed:

While Erin O’Toole’s Conservatives are promising to weaken gun control laws and repeal Canada’s ban on assault-style weapons, Justin Trudeau and the Liberal team are working to strengthen gun control and keep our communities safe.

Inane, I think that's the word I'm looking for.   Not even sure why I have that reaction.

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« Reply #1279 on: June 04, 2021, 06:26:22 am »
No money to investigate residential schools, but MILLIONS to go towards Harper's Communist Genocide Memorial!

Money well spent, Trudeau!

Still waiting on pharmacare, dental and vision. Still waiting on electoral reform.

I'm sure any day now you'll govern as you campaigned!

Happy Anniversary though.
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« Reply #1280 on: June 04, 2021, 10:25:49 am »
Still waiting on pharmacare, dental and vision. Still waiting on electoral reform.

I'm sure any day now you'll govern as you campaigned!

to remind the revisionist inclined: Liberal PM Martin negotiated a 10-year Health Accord with the provinces in 2004; one designed to pump billions of dollars back into the health-care system, while also moving forward with reforms in areas such as pharmacare, home care and primary care. And then along came Harper Conservatives to ignore/squash it all - to the point Harper refused to even meet with provincial premiers - refused to hold First Minister meetings. And now in the throes of a pandemic, with a minority government... you're expecting? And by the by, Trudeau Liberals recognize they can't impose pharmacare on the provinces - that a partnership undertaking is needed... unlike your boy Singh who believes it can just be imposed upon the provinces!

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« Reply #1281 on: June 09, 2021, 08:23:37 am »
I'm sorry, do we have pharmacare yet? No. Well then whatever you claim he's done hasn't worked. Next!

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« Reply #1282 on: June 09, 2021, 01:44:31 pm »
clearly previously asked... and the waldo answered! As you say member cyber - Next!

I'm sorry, do we have pharmacare yet? No. Well then whatever you claim he's done hasn't worked. Next!

to remind the revisionist inclined: Liberal PM Martin negotiated a 10-year Health Accord with the provinces in 2004; one designed to pump billions of dollars back into the health-care system, while also moving forward with reforms in areas such as pharmacare, home care and primary care. And then along came Harper Conservatives to ignore/squash it all - to the point Harper refused to even meet with provincial premiers - refused to hold First Minister meetings. And now in the throes of a pandemic, with a minority government... you're expecting? And by the by, Trudeau Liberals recognize they can't impose pharmacare on the provinces - that a partnership undertaking is needed... unlike your boy Singh who believes it can just be imposed upon the provinces!

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oh member cyber! How odd you would choose to simply dismiss those building blocks... those foundational elements of national pharmacare. Unlike the NDP reliance on "magic beans and unconstitutional stunts", the Trudeau Liberal government chooses to follow guiding recommendations of the Advisory Council on the Implementation of National Pharmacare; again, (some of its) recommendations that shaped Budget 2019 that announced the Trudeau Liberal government’s intention to move forward on 3 foundational elements of national pharmacare; specifically:

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To make prescription drugs more affordable and more accessible to more Canadians, the Government intends to work with its partners on the creation of:

The Canadian Drug Agency, a new national drug agency that would build on existing provincial and territorial successes, and take a coordinated approach to assessing effectiveness and negotiating prescription drug prices on behalf of Canadians. Negotiating better prices could help lower the cost of prescription drugs for Canadians by up to $3 billion per year in the long term.

A national formulary—a comprehensive, evidence-based list of prescribed drugs, to be developed as part of the Canadian Drug Agency. This would provide the basis for a consistent approach to formulary listing and patient access across the country.

A national strategy for high-cost drugs for rare diseases to help Canadians get better access to the effective treatments they need. This is an important first step in expanding drug coverage through federal support.

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unlike that {unconstitutional} NDP stunt that presumed to impose rules/requirements on the provinces, the Liberal government chooses Cooperative Federalism to gain the support and participation of provincial and territorial Premiers. Here, have another go at the following post you self-servingly chose to ignore.

hey cyber, does the current complement of Conservative provincial premiers make it a stronger... or weaker case for the success of a federally imposed, non-cooperative, forced top-down rules/criteria shaping a proposed/presumed national pharmacare program?

what about that summer 2019 meeting outcome that had the 13 provincial/territorial Premiers issue a statement that they wanted the option to opt out of any federal pharmacare program... and keep the additional money Ottawa would otherwise spend on drugs in their provinces! And you expect these same provincial/territorial Premiers to line-up with the NDP proposal you're parroting? Really... c'mon!

Cooperative Federalism - what a concept, hey!

much is at stake in pharamacare negotiations between the federal government and the provinces... the existence and success of a public drug program depends on these negotiations and the cooperation to realize them. Is a national pharmacare program possible and attainable without cooperative federalism between the federal, provincial, and territorial governments? Singh/NDP and their supporting parrots would have you believe so!

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I’m not interested in your silly grandstanding. I want to know what concrete solutions the party you’re a fanatic about is going to bring to the table.

showcasing you're a NDP parrot pushing a failed NDP stunt isn't the waldo grandstanding. Let me know when our respective party alignment/bias moves from partisanship into your labeled fanaticism, hey!

Quote from: Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister of Canada
The NDP are pulling a political stunt to try to demonstrate that it could do it with the wave of a magic wand. We work in the real world here. No Canadian should have to make a choice between buying medication and putting food on the table. We will therefore continue to work towards national universal pharmacare. We will do so in respect of the Constitution and in partnership with the provinces and not impose a political decision from Ottawa. We believe in partnership as the path forward.
Quote from: Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister of Canada
Unlike the NDP, we will not be imposing, in provincial jurisdiction, rules that are not worked out with the provinces. We respect the constitution on this side of the House and we’ll work hand in glove with the premiers to ensure… pharmacare universally across this country
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« Reply #1283 on: June 09, 2021, 01:52:49 pm »
BoC says it will limit bond purchases to 3 billion a week. What's that, $156 billion in new debt over the next year? No consequence to this government it would seem.
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« Reply #1284 on: June 13, 2021, 08:43:15 pm »
Watching Trudeau at the G7, god he looks scruffy. Never mind the beard, what's with the John A MacDonald hairdo?
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« Reply #1285 on: June 13, 2021, 10:06:58 pm »
Watching Trudeau at the G7, god he looks scruffy. Never mind the beard, what's with the John A MacDonald hairdo?

Maybe he's pretending he doesn't have access to a barber hair stylist like everyone else so he can seem like a man of the people.  This guy's so fake he probably craps plastic.
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« Reply #1286 on: June 14, 2021, 01:05:05 am »
Watching Trudeau at the G7, god he looks scruffy. Never mind the beard, what's with the John A MacDonald hairdo?

too easy!

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« Reply #1287 on: June 14, 2021, 07:37:18 am »
 Really? Look at a photo of John A and tell me I’m wrong.
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« Reply #1288 on: June 14, 2021, 10:48:58 am »

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« Reply #1289 on: June 14, 2021, 11:20:22 am »




Really.

If you want to cherry pick unflattering images it's easy. Can you say "India"?

I've been trying to decide who had the worst G7 leader hairdo but can't choose between JT and Johnson.
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