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Offline waldo

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« Reply #1215 on: March 09, 2021, 11:57:19 pm »
by the by, what's the verdict on backbencher bills and their ability to (as in no ability to) actually spend money, hey?

second mention of this lil' ditty concerning backbencher bills... that you again ignored. C'mon cyber, tell the waldo how the NDP Bill C-213 wasn't a going nowhere stunt!  ;D

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« Reply #1216 on: March 10, 2021, 12:09:04 am »
I want to know what concrete solutions the party you’re a fanatic about is going to bring to the table.

unlike that {unconstitutional} NDP stunt that presumed to impose rules/requirements on the provinces, the Liberal government chooses Cooperative Federalism to gain the support and participation of provincial and territorial Premiers. Here, have another go at the following post you self-servingly chose to ignore.

hey cyber, does the current complement of Conservative provincial premiers make it a stronger... or weaker case for the success of a federally imposed, non-cooperative, forced top-down rules/criteria shaping a proposed/presumed national pharmacare program?

what about that summer 2019 meeting outcome that had the 13 provincial/territorial Premiers issue a statement that they wanted the option to opt out of any federal pharmacare program... and keep the additional money Ottawa would otherwise spend on drugs in their provinces! And you expect these same provincial/territorial Premiers to line-up with the NDP proposal you're parroting? Really... c'mon!

Cooperative Federalism - what a concept, hey!

much is at stake in pharamacare negotiations between the federal government and the provinces... the existence and success of a public drug program depends on these negotiations and the cooperation to realize them. Is a national pharmacare program possible and attainable without cooperative federalism between the federal, provincial, and territorial governments? Singh/NDP and their supporting parrots would have you believe so!

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« Reply #1217 on: March 10, 2021, 12:57:07 am »
Better than nothing, I suppose.

on member cyber! How odd you would choose to simply dismiss those building blocks... those foundational elements of national pharmacare. Unlike the NDP reliance on "magic beans and unconstitutional stunts", the Trudeau Liberal government chooses to follow guiding recommendations of the Advisory Council on the Implementation of National Pharmacare; again, (some of its) recommendations that shaped Budget 2019 that announced the Trudeau Liberal government’s intention to move forward on 3 foundational elements of national pharmacare; specifically:

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To make prescription drugs more affordable and more accessible to more Canadians, the Government intends to work with its partners on the creation of:

The Canadian Drug Agency, a new national drug agency that would build on existing provincial and territorial successes, and take a coordinated approach to assessing effectiveness and negotiating prescription drug prices on behalf of Canadians. Negotiating better prices could help lower the cost of prescription drugs for Canadians by up to $3 billion per year in the long term.

A national formulary—a comprehensive, evidence-based list of prescribed drugs, to be developed as part of the Canadian Drug Agency. This would provide the basis for a consistent approach to formulary listing and patient access across the country.

A national strategy for high-cost drugs for rare diseases to help Canadians get better access to the effective treatments they need. This is an important first step in expanding drug coverage through federal support.
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« Reply #1218 on: March 10, 2021, 08:13:46 am »
showcasing you're a NDP parrot pushing a failed NDP stunt isn't the waldo grandstanding. Let me know when our respective party alignment/bias moves from partisanship into your labeled fanaticism, hey!
So you've got nothing concrete then. Just Trudeau saying he's going to work towards it. Just like he was going to work towards fair elections too, eh?
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« Reply #1219 on: March 10, 2021, 09:55:46 am »
is that all ya got cyber?  ;D Only an NDP parrot fronting an unconstitutional stunt, like you, would ignore... would dismiss... the past and ongoing substantive steps mentioned in the prior post!
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« Reply #1220 on: March 10, 2021, 10:08:54 am »
I want to know what concrete solutions the party you’re a fanatic about is going to bring to the table.
So you've got nothing concrete then.

apparently member cyber doesn't view the work towards establishing the 'Canadian Drug Agency' as something, as he terms, "concrete"!

They've also been working on the Canada Drug Agency. It will pool drug purchases, and should reduce costs for the provinces, and hopefully, consumers.
One positive step is the Canadian Drug Agency that should hopefully see savings, or at least control cost growth, for all of us.

apparently cyberConcrete is the NDP plying a going nowhere stunt while refusing to engage/consult/negotiate with provinces & territories.

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« Reply #1221 on: March 10, 2021, 10:55:10 am »
The NDP thing was obviously a stunt, but it's a stunt that brings attention to the fact that the Liberals have been promising this for years and still haven't done ****.  The kimmo extends a hearty congratulations to the NDP for putting this topic back in the national spotlight.

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« Reply #1222 on: March 10, 2021, 11:26:55 am »
member wilber, what's your favoured conservative CPC party's position on a national, universal, public pharmacare program, hey?  ;D

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« Reply #1223 on: March 10, 2021, 12:56:14 pm »
member wilber, what's your favoured conservative CPC party's position on a national, universal, public pharmacare program, hey?  ;D

What makes you think I favour the CPC or its positions? I don't have a position regarding a provincial or federal system as long as there is a system. Just don't campaign on programs you have no intention of implementing.
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« Reply #1224 on: March 10, 2021, 01:55:53 pm »
So you've got nothing concrete then. Just Trudeau saying he's going to work towards it. Just like he was going to work towards fair elections too, eh?

The Liberals can't do anything even if they wanted to without the provinces.  So the question is did the gov try to get the provs on board and fail, or did they just cop out?

Personally I think a national drug agency to get prices lower is a good idea, but maybe now is not the best time to implement an expensive program like pharmacare/dental/childcare given already massive COVID gov , unless govs are willing to increase taxes to pay for it and Canadians are cool with that.
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« Reply #1225 on: March 10, 2021, 03:30:49 pm »
Like election reform. Campaign fodder with no intention to make good.

It seems that they have every intention of moving to group drug buying, and creating a national catastrophic drug program.

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« Reply #1226 on: March 12, 2021, 09:56:02 am »
It seems that they have every intention of moving to group drug buying, and creating a national catastrophic drug program.
Better than nothing, I suppose.

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« Reply #1227 on: March 12, 2021, 11:50:55 am »
Better than nothing, I suppose.

on member cyber! How odd you would choose to simply dismiss those building blocks... those foundational elements of national pharmacare. Unlike the NDP reliance on "magic beans and unconstitutional stunts", the Trudeau Liberal government chooses to follow guiding recommendations of the Advisory Council on the Implementation of National Pharmacare; again, (some of its) recommendations that shaped Budget 2019 that announced the Trudeau Liberal government’s intention to move forward on 3 foundational elements of national pharmacare; specifically:

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To make prescription drugs more affordable and more accessible to more Canadians, the Government intends to work with its partners on the creation of:

The Canadian Drug Agency, a new national drug agency that would build on existing provincial and territorial successes, and take a coordinated approach to assessing effectiveness and negotiating prescription drug prices on behalf of Canadians. Negotiating better prices could help lower the cost of prescription drugs for Canadians by up to $3 billion per year in the long term.

A national formulary—a comprehensive, evidence-based list of prescribed drugs, to be developed as part of the Canadian Drug Agency. This would provide the basis for a consistent approach to formulary listing and patient access across the country.

A national strategy for high-cost drugs for rare diseases to help Canadians get better access to the effective treatments they need. This is an important first step in expanding drug coverage through federal support.

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« Reply #1228 on: April 10, 2021, 08:24:51 pm »
Trudeau's true calling is as an instagram model and social media influencer.  We have an IG model as our PM.
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« Reply #1229 on: April 11, 2021, 12:28:24 am »
c'mon Gorgeous, your postAgreeing hatin' ally does refer to PM Trudeau as 'wonder boy' ... it's a calling, not just a job!