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« Reply #1035 on: January 21, 2021, 07:14:17 pm »
It was strange. He created identical instruments for the Senate and the Order of Canada with great success, but didn't use the one already in place for royal appointments (not just the GG). This was probably a case of Harper bad syndrome.

Or maybe it was just a case of, she's a woman, she's French, she's an astronaut. Look no further.
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« Reply #1036 on: January 21, 2021, 07:16:56 pm »
Or maybe it was just a case of, she's a woman, she's French, she's an astronaut. Look no further.

I can certainly see the logic in that. Unfortunately, it didn't work out.
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« Reply #1037 on: January 21, 2021, 07:41:03 pm »
Our last GG was male but three of the last four have been female so there was no pressing need for another female. I guess we might have been due for another francophone. They need to vet people on the basis of whether they are suited to the job and whether they will feel comfortable doing it, not just because of what they might have done in their previous job. People skills are right near the top of the list for a job like that.
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« Reply #1038 on: January 22, 2021, 12:34:50 am »
Glad Payette is gone, she's absolutely insane and totally incompetent, trying to hide from her RCMP detail etc.  A total loon.  She also used 150k of taxpayer money for legal fees in hiring a former Supreme Court Justice to defend her, which is absolutely outrageous, and knowing darn well she was guilty of all these accusations yet didn't resign then but burned taxpayer money.  If I was sued at work my work certainly wouldn't pay for it.

Today I learned she killed a pedestrian with her SUV in 2011 (allegedly was the pedestrian's fault), and then a few months later was charged with assault.  Trudeau wouldn't comment if he knew about these charges before he hired her.
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« Reply #1039 on: January 22, 2021, 07:46:08 am »
Glad Payette is gone...

Her appointment seems to me a relic of "image based politics" which should be swept out now.  I heard there's an option to have a multi-party selection committee for this position.  Let's do that.

Less politics, more policy discussion.

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« Reply #1040 on: January 22, 2021, 09:29:36 am »
Her appointment seems to me a relic of "image based politics" which should be swept out now.  I heard there's an option to have a multi-party selection committee for this position.  Let's do that.

Less politics, more policy discussion.

It shouldn't be political at all. Harper used an expert committee to name Johnston. The committee (the royal appointments committee) still exists. It should be used this time. It works very well for senators and Order recipients. Those similar selection committees were formed by Trudeau, ironically.

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« Reply #1041 on: January 22, 2021, 10:31:17 am »
It shouldn't be political at all. Harper used an expert committee to name Johnston. The committee (the royal appointments committee) still exists. It should be used this time. It works very well for senators and Order recipients. Those similar selection committees were formed by Trudeau, ironically.

Yeah. 

I feel that identity politics is exploited by the Liberal party and:

1) It is not deserved, as they have not showed themselves to be leading edge with regards to rights issues
2) It could actually do a disservice to the people they're trying to help, ie. making a big splash over changes versus quietly granting the rights.  Trudeau Sr. did not, as I recall, make decriminalization a banner issue
3) Symbolism is a superficial badge of progress.  Great, we have a woman astronaut but what happened to your national childcare promise ?

It's TALK-ACTION=0, not ACTION=0
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« Reply #1042 on: January 22, 2021, 11:31:37 am »
As bad an appointment as this was, and it was bad, we are still suffering with the legacy of Harper appointments.

Mike Duffy is STILL a fuckin’ Senator.

Lynn Beyak, who the Senate can’t seem to get their **** together to remove from office....   maybe because they don’t like to actually work?....    One of the most awful and stupid human beings in all of Canada is an appointee of Harper’s.

At least we were rid of the GG in relatively quick fashion.
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« Reply #1043 on: January 22, 2021, 12:01:08 pm »
The Senate can be its own worse enemy sometimes. It has the mechanism to deal with people like Beyak.
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« Reply #1044 on: January 22, 2021, 12:38:25 pm »
Yeah. 

I feel that identity politics is exploited by the Liberal party and:

1) It is not deserved, as they have not showed themselves to be leading edge with regards to rights issues
2) It could actually do a disservice to the people they're trying to help, ie. making a big splash over changes versus quietly granting the rights.  Trudeau Sr. did not, as I recall, make decriminalization a banner issue
3) Symbolism is a superficial badge of progress.  Great, we have a woman astronaut but what happened to your national childcare promise ?

It's TALK-ACTION=0, not ACTION=0

Justin Trudeau is style over substance, that's just how he rolls.  He's a peacock always with his feathers out.  Looking good doesn't create jobs or feed people.
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« Reply #1045 on: January 22, 2021, 01:55:54 pm »
Justin Trudeau is style over substance, that's just how he rolls.  He's a peacock always with his feathers out.  Looking good doesn't create jobs or feed people.

Here’s the Canada-wie unemployment rate.  Other than COVID, which obviously affected everyone, I guess the peacock has been doing alright?



You seem to think that Trudeau has been bad at job creation.  The opposite seems true, looking at the actual data rather than your opinion about his looks.
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« Reply #1046 on: January 22, 2021, 02:11:51 pm »
The Senate can be its own worse enemy sometimes. It has the mechanism to deal with people like Beyak.

No, it clearly does not have mechanisms as she is still there.  Mike Duffy is still a Senator.   What are these mechanisms you speak of?
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Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #1047 on: January 22, 2021, 02:33:50 pm »
You seem to think that Trudeau has been bad at job creation.  The opposite seems true, looking at the actual data rather than your opinion about his looks.

Let's not kid ourselves that Trudeau, Barack Obama, or Trump were prepared to run nations.  What they were prepared to do is understand the wisdom of experts, to listen, to ask questions, and to weigh options... WITH ADVISORS.

Two of these three did just fine... the third was undone by his inability to listen and his arrogance but it didn't really impact the economy either.

I'm not sure what my point is anymore... maybe just let's not give credit beyond understanding the basics, and having a requisite level of wisdom... and Trudeau and Obama did.
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« Reply #1048 on: January 22, 2021, 02:38:24 pm »
Let's not kid ourselves that Trudeau, Barack Obama, or Trump were prepared to run nations.  What they were prepared to do is understand the wisdom of experts, to listen, to ask questions, and to weigh options... WITH ADVISORS.

Two of these three did just fine... the third was undone by his inability to listen and his arrogance but it didn't really impact the economy either.

I'm not sure what my point is anymore... maybe just let's not give credit beyond understanding the basics, and having a requisite level of wisdom... and Trudeau and Obama did.


Oh, I agree....   completely.  It’s not one dude.

I was simply refuting Graham’s contention that Trudeau is a peacock who hasn’t created any jobs.

Looking at the actual data, the peacock’s government (maybe thanks to whomever he is getting economic advice from) has a lower unemployment rate than Harper did....  and this is WITH the ongoing turmoil in the Alberta resource sector putting pressure on the unemployment rate the wrong way.
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« Reply #1049 on: January 22, 2021, 03:02:10 pm »
Here’s the Canada-wie unemployment rate.  Other than COVID, which obviously affected everyone, I guess the peacock has been doing alright?

You seem to think that Trudeau has been bad at job creation.  The opposite seems true, looking at the actual data rather than your opinion about his looks.

I never said anything of the sort.  What I said is that trying to look good doesn't create jobs.  I never said he hasn't created any jobs.

The point is nobody gives a crap if the GG is a woman or an astronaut, they care if they do their duties adequately.

Trudeau has spent his entire adult life peacocking in order to seek attention from people.  He's an attention seeker.  The blackface, being an actor, teaching drama, going into politics, doing that boxing match for charity, the selfies, the GQ covers, the Indian garb, the virtue signalling.  "Look at me!"
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