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Offline SirJohn

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The Liberals and their new ethical standards
« on: December 21, 2017, 09:44:04 am »
Funny how Trudeau was going to be different, eh? Oh he was going to empower parliament and set forth the most stringent ethical rules in history! I guess, that comes after changing the way we vote - which got stalled somehow or other when he realized it wouldn't help the Liberals. So his finance minister has no problems introducing tax legislation which directly benefits himself and Trudeau has no problem taking free vacations from billionaires lobbying his government for money.  I guess he tried to keep that a secret at the time simply because he's such a shy guy who shuns public attention...

The three major items which come out of this is that Trudeau's so-called friendship with the Aga Khan hadn't resulted in any contact in 30 years - until he became leader of the Liberals and might be seen as useful, and that Trudeau subsequently did not recuse himself from discussions about granting the Aga Khan's center for pluralism a $15 million government grant. BTW, why does a billionaire need government grants anyway?

The third major item is that Trudeau, when confronted acts like a deer caught in the headlights. He freezes and gapes and fumbles around for what to do. His performance the other day when a CBC reporter basically said "Come on, how could you not know this was wrong?" was priceless. You should look it up on youtube.

Andrew Coyne had some relevent questions on this topic he's unlikely to ever be able to put to Trudeau. I'm sure they would have Trudeau gaping even more.

Prime Minister, thank you for this. Might I just start with the news of the day? With regard to your holidays on the Aga Khan’s private island in the Caribbean, you’ve been found by the ethics commissioner to have broken the conflict of interest law in four places. Yet you face no penalties of any kind. You’ve said the decision should give Canadians confidence in the process. Why?

You claim you accepted his hospitality because he was a “close family friend.” Yet the ethics commissioner found you hadn’t seen him in 30 years, but for a hug at your father’s funeral. She seems quite clear the Aga Khan’s interest in you had more to do with your official position and his dealings with the government you lead. If she could see that, why couldn’t you?

While we are on the subject of conflicts of interest, you’ve defended your finance minister, Bill Morneau, in the matter of his ownership, through a numbered company, of shares in his family’s pension management firm, which stood to benefit from changes to pension rules he introduced. Your defence is that he worked with the ethics commissioner and followed her advice. Why didn’t you?

The revelation that Morneau, rather than divest the shares as required, kept them inside a private corporation, where he would pay less tax on them, came just as your government was proposing to crack down on people who set up private corporations to avoid tax — though not in ways that would affect him. Or you, for that matter, notwithstanding your own use of private corporations. Did it not occur to you this might look a bit, I don’t know, two-faced? Or did you think no one would notice?


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Re: The Liberals and their new ethical standards
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2017, 10:20:18 am »
Is it bad that I couldn't care less about this 'scandal'?  I feel the same about this as I did about all of the Harper 'scandals'.

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Re: The Liberals and their new ethical standards
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2017, 10:47:26 am »
Is it bad that I couldn't care less about this 'scandal'?  I feel the same about this as I did about all of the Harper 'scandals'.

Well, it seems that he is the first PM ever to actually break a law of some kind, while in office.  Pisses me off, that's for sure - he ought to have known better and/or been more careful.   On the other hand, I don't find it as morally reprehensible as some 'legal' actions carried out by other PMs and politicians, not to mention heads of corporations.   No doubt Trudeau will pay; this, combined with some of his broken promises make a second term ever more iffy for him IMO.   

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Re: The Liberals and their new ethical standards
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2017, 10:56:08 am »
Is it bad that I couldn't care less about this 'scandal'?  I feel the same about this as I did about all of the Harper 'scandals'.
Individual scandals are rarely serious enough on their own to destroy a government. But that does not mean they mean nothing. Over time these kinds of scandals erode the "brand" of the party and, when combined with other factors, can lead to losses at the polls. For now, the scandal should be reported the facts allowed to become part of the public record.

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Re: The Liberals and their new ethical standards
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2017, 11:47:17 am »
Is it bad that I couldn't care less about this 'scandal'?  I feel the same about this as I did about all of the Harper 'scandals'.

What scandal ever involved Harper personally?

I mean, if a politician takes gifts from people while dealing with applications for grants isn't a massive conflict of interest, then what is? Oh, he thinks of the Aga Khan as a friend? Well if a politician doing deals for their friends with government money isn't a massive conflict of interest, then what is?
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Re: The Liberals and their new ethical standards
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2017, 12:08:56 pm »
What scandal ever involved Harper personally?

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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2017, 12:10:42 pm »
Well, it seems that he is the first PM ever to actually break a law of some kind, while in office.

regulations... rules - rules, smules! Lotta fake outrage in the OP - of course!  :o

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Re: The Liberals and their new ethical standards
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2017, 12:18:57 pm »
There was an interview with Vassy Kapelos from Edmonton that aired on the news last night.  It was from before the Ethics Committee's ruling but it was very telling - Trudeau outright said that Conservatives have nothing to critisize the Liberals on so they are picking on him for this minor ethical misunderstanding.  Vassy asked him if he meant that the Canadian public are not interested in ethics and he admitted that yes, they are, but this is nothing that anyone needs to worry about.

The vidoe of him ummm'ing and uhhhh'ing and being unable to say anything even remotely intelligible afterword the Committee's ruling was both funny as hell and disturbing.
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Re: The Liberals and their new ethical standards
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2017, 12:23:47 pm »
regulations... rules - rules, smules! Lotta fake outrage in the OP - of course!  :o

Given your inability to even discuss the smallest of issues intelligently I don't think you should really try to make the stretch to trying to predict the feelings and emotions of other posters.
"When liberals insist that only fascists will defend borders then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals won't do." David Frum

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Re: The Liberals and their new ethical standards
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2017, 12:31:15 pm »
don't sweat the small stuff... for perspective:

Harper, Serial Abuser of Power: The Evidence Compiled --- https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/08/10/Harper-Abuses-of-Power-Final/

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Re: The Liberals and their new ethical standards
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2017, 12:32:21 pm »
Given your inability to even discuss the smallest of issues intelligently I don't think you should really try to make the stretch to trying to predict the feelings and emotions of other posters.

you're an easy read! If it's not fake outrage... it ain't you posting. Carry on!

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Re: The Liberals and their new ethical standards
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2017, 03:06:37 pm »
don't sweat the small stuff... for perspective:

Harper, Serial Abuser of Power: The Evidence Compiled --- https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/08/10/Harper-Abuses-of-Power-Final/

You realize the Liberals have already done much of that in just 2 years, right?

Ah, but it's okay when Liberals do it!
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Re: The Liberals and their new ethical standards
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2017, 06:26:40 pm »
Don't worry.  This won't change peoples' view of the Liberals, just remind them a term or two early of what they're really like.

I'm sure Justin will expect every regular Canadian to relate to getting a helicopter ride to their private island, paid for by their uncle, auntie or aga.

I held out slim hope that there was somebody behind him that would feed him good ideas but this government is really running on the oldest playbook they have.  Protest vote time for me...

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Re: The Liberals and their new ethical standards
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2017, 11:57:18 am »
At this point it doesn't really matter what Trudeau does because Andrew Scheer is so unpalatable that it's going to be a long shot for him to win.
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Re: The Liberals and their new ethical standards
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2017, 03:58:46 pm »
At this point it doesn't really matter what Trudeau does because Andrew Scheer is so unpalatable that it's going to be a long shot for him to win.

Unpalatable? He's your typical bland politician with more smiles.
"When liberals insist that only fascists will defend borders then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals won't do." David Frum