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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #45 on: August 25, 2019, 12:44:15 pm »
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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #46 on: August 25, 2019, 05:52:15 pm »
So does Dean Del Mastro.



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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #47 on: August 27, 2019, 12:33:47 am »
Conservatives always have this knee jerk reaction to things, ignoring every legal and constitutional reality.  There is no affair.  He's a Canadian citizen with the constitutional right to enter and leave Canada, and it's that simple.

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« Reply #48 on: August 27, 2019, 09:56:24 am »
Conservatives always have this knee jerk reaction to things, ignoring every legal and constitutional reality.  There is no affair.  He's a Canadian citizen with the constitutional right to enter and leave Canada, and it's that simple.

Even the Liberals conceded they have no interest in helping him.

He becomes a political problem for them if he tries to come to Canada

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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2019, 10:12:07 am »
Conservatives always have this knee jerk reaction to things, ignoring every legal and constitutional reality.  There is no affair.  He's a Canadian citizen with the constitutional right to enter and leave Canada, and it's that simple.
I don't understand why the "law and order" party completely disregards not only primary law (the Charter of Rights) but also criminal law.

"That's preposterous! They don't ignore criminal law!"

Of course they do. They advocate for stupid things like blocking people entry into the country, instead of trying them in a court of law and laying criminal charges against them for crimes. Lay charges. Have a trial. But Conservatives rarely want that. It's like they're allergic to human rights. They're drifting further and further into fascism every day.
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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #50 on: August 27, 2019, 10:43:34 am »
Even the Liberals conceded they have no interest in helping him.

I didn't say anything about helping him - there's no requirement for that, unless his life is in danger and he requests consular assistance.

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He becomes a political problem for them if he tries to come to Canada

Yes, most people are ignorant of the Constitution.

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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #51 on: August 27, 2019, 10:36:10 pm »
Conservatives always have this knee jerk reaction to things, ignoring every legal and constitutional reality.  There is no affair.  He's a Canadian citizen with the constitutional right to enter and leave Canada, and it's that simple.

There is an affair because unfortunately the Liberals reversed the Conservative law that said dual-citizens could be stripped of citizenship if convicted of terrorism offenses, a law the UK also has and May's government used.  "A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian", but clearly that's not the case with Jihadi Jack, who decided to become an enemy of the state for a group bent on destroying Canada.

Stripping citizenship is still rare in those cases but can be done (if we still had the law), as seen in the UK.
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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #52 on: August 27, 2019, 10:57:00 pm »
There is an affair because unfortunately the Liberals reversed the Conservative law that said dual-citizens could be stripped of citizenship if convicted of terrorism offenses, a law the UK also has and May's government used.  "A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian", but clearly that's not the case with Jihadi Jack, who decided to become an enemy of the state for a group bent on destroying Canada.

Stripping citizenship is still rare in those cases but can be done (if we still had the law), as seen in the UK.

The UK simply demonstrated a dereliction of duty. I suppose you'll see more of that under Boris.

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« Reply #53 on: August 28, 2019, 09:24:04 am »
The UK simply demonstrated a dereliction of duty. I suppose you'll see more of that under Boris.
Jack was born in the UK, the Canadian legislation never advocated stripping citizenship from Canadian born citizens.

This is interesting. Another piece of Liberal Hypocrisy?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/citizenship-revocation-trudeau-harper-1.3795733
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« Reply #54 on: August 28, 2019, 11:09:18 am »
Making a mistake or lying on your citizenship application is now a reason to have your citizenship revoked but being convicted of terrorism, treason or espionage is not.
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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #55 on: August 28, 2019, 11:30:58 am »
Making a mistake or lying on your citizenship application is now a reason to have your citizenship revoked ...

It was always a reason. 


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...but being convicted of terrorism, treason or espionage is not.

Once you’re a Canadian, then you’re subject to laws like someone born here.   There shouldn’t be different classes of Canadian.   But, like you put forward in your previous posts, maybe we should make becoming a Canadian a touch more difficult. 


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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #56 on: August 28, 2019, 04:33:44 pm »
This is just a race to the bottom, last one to strip someone of their citizenship loses - because they have signed international agreement to such effect. Regardless of what laws we had, we would be stuck with this loser anyway.

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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #57 on: August 28, 2019, 05:37:06 pm »
This is just a race to the bottom, last one to strip someone of their citizenship loses - because they have signed international agreement to such effect. Regardless of what laws we had, we would be stuck with this loser anyway.

Not true.  He wasn't born here and has never lived here.  So if we had the residency requirements suggested earlier in the thread, we wouldn't be stuck with him.
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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #58 on: August 28, 2019, 05:39:02 pm »
Not true.  He wasn't born here and has never lived here.  So if we had the residency requirements suggested earlier in the thread, we wouldn't be stuck with him.

How old is he, are are you suggesting we make laws retroactive?

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« Reply #59 on: August 28, 2019, 05:47:42 pm »
How old is he, are are you suggesting we make laws retroactive?

No.  I didn't suggest anything.  Although, it might not be a bad thing either.  I haven't thought about how a new law might apply. 

 This issue prompted discussion about how to avoid future jihadi jacks.