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Offline bcsapper

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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #60 on: September 05, 2019, 09:50:09 pm »
bcsapper, you seem like a very nice fellow, so don't take this personally, but this I see as the fundamental problem.

This is Canada's 'Oath of Citizenship' you said you took during your Citizenship ceremony:

So you swore true allegiance to the Queen of Canada, but you just said "if push comes to shove, I'm English".  What that suggests (correct me if I'm wrong) is that in the unlikely event of a conflict between Canada and the UK, your "true allegiance" remains with Britain.  You love living in Canada, but your heart and allegiance remains with the UK.  Correct?

You probably didn't lie during your oath. What I think likely happened, which happens with a lot of Canadians from the UK, is that you may think that the Queen of Canada and the Queen of the UK are the same entity (since they are served by the same person, Elizabeth II), so you likely thought you're swearing loyalty to the royal crown in general.  But the Queen of Canada and Queen of the UK are completely separate legal entities, and Canada no longer has any formal legal ties to the UK or the Queen of the UK.

In my opinion, it's impossible to bear "true allegiance" to two different countries, because when a conflict of interest ever arises between those 2 countries (ie: war, a diplomatic dispute, you work for the government etc), one naturally will often not remain neutral and can even be forced to take sides (sort of like this Jihadi Jack asshat).  That's why when "push comes to shove", IMO every Canadian should feel and have allegiance to Canada.  Therefore dual citizenship shouldn't be allowed, even though it's still fine and natural to retain a sense of connection and fondness with another country.  This will help ensure that "A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian".

Actually, I just meant I would want England to beat Canada at Soccer.  Or Cricket.

You can win Ice Hockey if you want.  I won't be too disappointed.

Seriously though, I made the oath as you say, but I also took the British Army oath of allegiance:

I (your name), swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, her heirs and successors and that I will as in duty bound honestly and faithfully defend Her Majesty, her heirs and successors in person, crown and dignity against all enemies and will observe and obey all orders of Her Majesty, her heirs and successors and of the generals and officers set over me.

I took that one first, so I assume it holds sway.

I hope it never comes to a fight!
« Last Edit: September 06, 2019, 08:48:39 am by bcsapper »
Time for bed said Zebedee...