Author Topic: The Jihadi Jack Affair  (Read 569 times)

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Offline Granny

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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #60 on: September 05, 2019, 01:03:00 pm »
bcsapper, you seem like a very nice fellow, so don't take this personally, but this I see as the fundamental problem.

This is Canada's 'Oath of Citizenship' you said you took during your Citizenship ceremony:

So you swore true allegiance to the Queen of Canada, but you just said "if push comes to shove, I'm English".  What that suggests (correct me if I'm wrong) is that in the unlikely event of a conflict between Canada and the UK, your "true allegiance" remains with Britain.  You love living in Canada, but your heart and allegiance remains with the UK.  Correct?

You probably didn't lie during your oath. What I think likely happened, which happens with a lot of Canadians from the UK, is that you may think that the Queen of Canada and the Queen of the UK are the same entity (since they are served by the same person, Elizabeth II), so you likely thought you're swearing loyalty to the royal crown in general.  But the Queen of Canada and Queen of the UK are completely separate legal entities, and Canada no longer has any formal legal ties to the UK or the Queen of the UK.

In my opinion, it's impossible to bear "true allegiance" to two different countries, because when a conflict of interest ever arises between those 2 countries (ie: war, a diplomatic dispute, you work for the government etc), one naturally will often not remain neutral and can even be forced to take sides (sort of like this Jihadi Jack asshat).  That's why when "push comes to shove", IMO every Canadian should feel and have allegiance to Canada. Therefore dual citizenship shouldn't be allowed, even though it's still fine and natural to retain a sense of connection and fondness with another country.  This will help ensure that "A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian".

You talk as if we're all incapable of making intelligent, informed decisions and choices about any issues that may arise between our dual national attachments. That's your opinion only. There are many ways that having substantial numbers of Canadians with dual citizenships from a variety of countries give Canada important and beneficial links with those countries.

That's one issue.

Note that the legal "loyalties" you cited include our Head of State, and our laws.
It does not include the Government of Canada, a partisan political body that must tolerate people dissenting and protesting against it, because that IS democracy.

Democracy easily erodes into fascism if we allow ourselves to be forced into blind loyalties and enforced 'nationalism', and curtailment of freedoms.

That's the danger. More regulation and more enforcement don't mean a better Canada.