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Offline the_squid

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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2019, 10:07:29 am »
Perhaps if we are dead set on making Citizenship an irrevocable right. Then we probably shouldn't be allowing people who've never lived in Canada and have no loyalty to Canada be citizens.

Seems reasonable. 
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« Reply #31 on: August 21, 2019, 12:10:39 pm »
Seems reasonable.

Um, what would you propose to do with children who are born abroad to Canadian parents who for instance are serving the country overseas?

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« Reply #32 on: August 21, 2019, 03:43:39 pm »
Um, what would you propose to do with children who are born abroad to Canadian parents who for instance are serving the country overseas?

Ummm...  make an exception in the law for those circumstances.

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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #33 on: August 21, 2019, 03:55:57 pm »
Perhaps if we are dead set on making Citizenship an irrevocable right. Then we probably shouldn't be allowing people who've never lived in Canada and have no loyalty to Canada be citizens.

Yes, maybe age would be a defining criteria. I don't know how old the individual in this specific circumstance, but my suggestion is give people 3 years after their 18th birthday (ie. by age 21) to take up residency (minimum 6 months) to maintain their citizenship.
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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2019, 10:50:49 am »
Um, what would you propose to do with children who are born abroad to Canadian parents who for instance are serving the country overseas?

That narrow exception kind of proves the rule.

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« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2019, 11:04:42 am »
Somebody born and raised in another country who has never lived in Canada, but goes to fight for a group dedicated to destroying Canada is not anywhere near close to the same as somebody born and raised in Canada, so why should they be treated as such?

"A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian" is nonsense since there's always exceptions, like this a$$hat.  Dual-citizenship is mostly ridiculous, choose your loyalty and choose wisely.
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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2019, 11:07:27 am »
Somebody born and raised in another country who has never lived in Canada, but goes to fight for a group dedicated to destroying Canada is not anywhere near close to the same as somebody born and raised in Canada, so why should they be treated as such?

"A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian" is nonsense since there's always exceptions, like this a$$hat.  Dual-citizenship is mostly ridiculous, choose your loyalty and choose wisely.

You mostly made sense until the last bit.  What is wrong with dual citizenship?  I have it.  Am I some sort of traitor to either country?   Thatís just silly.

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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2019, 11:22:39 am »
Somebody born and raised in another country who has never lived in Canada, but goes to fight for a group dedicated to destroying Canada is not anywhere near close to the same as somebody born and raised in Canada, so why should they be treated as such?

"A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian" is nonsense since there's always exceptions, like this a$$hat.  Dual-citizenship is mostly ridiculous, choose your loyalty and choose wisely.

We have laws regarding citizenship and laws regarding criminal activity. Don't confuse the two.
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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2019, 01:44:25 pm »
Dual-citizenship is mostly ridiculous, choose your loyalty and choose wisely.

I agree that a few do abuse dual citizenship, but that does not mean it is an invalid concept. We are all part of humankind, and share this planet. The artificial boundaries of countries have both positive and negative consequences. The divisions created by these boundaries, along with other stupidity like skin color, religion, etc. have done more to destroy humanity than any thing else. Please pick your mother or father, because you can only have one - choose wisely.

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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #39 on: August 22, 2019, 03:33:48 pm »
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Please pick your mother or father, because you can only have one - choose wisely.

Thank you.  I have dual but if push comes to shove, I'm Canadian.
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« Reply #40 on: August 22, 2019, 05:02:12 pm »
Thank you.  I have dual but if push comes to shove, I'm Canadian.

Itís hypocritical to agree with that statement and still be a dual citizen.

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« Reply #41 on: August 22, 2019, 05:14:47 pm »
Itís hypocritical to agree with that statement and still be a dual citizen.

I read it like:  Making people choose between their mother and their father - who would do that?  How do you choose?

I have family ties to the US and I lived there, owned property there.  Still have a US bank account.  The Star-Spangled Banner sometimes makes me cry, as does O Canada.

I'm not a hypocrite.  And I'm not sure Poonlight was completely disparaging dual citizenship.

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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #42 on: August 22, 2019, 06:22:47 pm »
Thank you.  I have dual but if push comes to shove, I'm Canadian.

Yeah, me too, and if push comes to shove, I'm English.

I still wouldn't want to move back there from Canada though.

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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #43 on: August 24, 2019, 08:58:21 pm »
Yeah, me too, and if push comes to shove, I'm English.

I still wouldn't want to move back there from Canada though.

Are you a naturalized Canadian? re: Did you take part in a Canadian citizenship ceremony as an adult?
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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2019, 09:05:30 pm »
Are you a naturalized Canadian? re: Did you take part in a Canadian citizenship ceremony as an adult?

Yes I did.  I still have the photo of me with the Mountie, and the letter from David Crombie
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