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Offline wilber

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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2019, 05:00:42 pm »
Point being, once again, if he returns here we can prosecute him under Canadian law rather than letting him continue working for ISIS or whoever, which is what the UK ruling will allow.

 It seems he travelled as a UK citizen so does that make him eligible to be prosecuted as a Canadian citizen? Things like that concern me.
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« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2019, 05:08:18 pm »
Just watching Goodale on Power and Politics. He says Canada is not obliged to repatriate him. Does anyone else see a parallel between this and Harpers attitude toward Khadr in Gitmo?
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« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2019, 05:13:00 pm »
Point being, once again, if he returns here we can prosecute him under Canadian law rather than letting him continue working for ISIS or whoever, which is what the UK ruling will allow.

You weren’t reading what Wilber was saying....    He may not have broken Canadian laws as they are written with respect to Canadians participating in foreign terrorism. 

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“We are between a rock and a hard place. Our legislation works on the assumption — actually stated in legislation — that you have to leave from Canada in order to be prosecuted for a terrorist offence. We are unable to initiate any prosecution,” he said.

https://calgaryherald.com/news/canada/ive-always-felt-i-am-canadian-jihadi-jack-hopes-to-take-refuge-in-canada/wcm/b5dce5f4-0d0d-49c5-9d6b-d0aefe88f240

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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2019, 05:15:20 pm »
Just watching Goodale on Power and Politics. He says Canada is not obliged to repatriate him. Does anyone else see a parallel between this and Harpers attitude toward Khadr in Gitmo?

Not really.  Khadr was a Canadian born citizen with no other citizenship. Canada has an argument to make that Canada still considers Jack a Brit.   Seems like a reasonable position to take when your ally tries to offload a terrorist onto you. 

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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2019, 05:22:43 pm »
You weren’t reading what Wilber was saying....    He may not have broken Canadian laws as they are written with respect to Canadians participating in foreign terrorism.

Bottom line is we should not start tweaking such important laws to suit this or that current emotion.

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« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2019, 05:25:14 pm »
Bottom line is we should not start tweaking such important laws to suit this or that current emotion.

I would say that it’s reasonable to strip a citizen who wasn’t born here and never lived here of their citizenship if they’re a terrorist.

What do you think?  Would that be reasonable? 

The way the law is written now, it may be that the Canadian citizen Jihadi-Jack could be a free man if he is allowed into Canada.  I don’t think that’s reasonable....
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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2019, 05:25:37 pm »
Not really.  Khadr was a Canadian born citizen with no other citizenship. Canada has an argument to make that Canada still considers Jack a Brit.   Seems like a reasonable position to take when your ally tries to offload a terrorist onto you.

Britain revoked his citizenship because they can under their law. We have no place telling other countries who they must have as citizens. I think the Brits are using his Canadian citizenship as a cop out but it is our law that will allow it, not theirs.
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« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2019, 05:27:38 pm »
I would say that it’s reasonable to strip a citizen who wasn’t born here and never lived here of their citizenship if they’re a terrorist.

What do you think?  Would that be reasonable?

I think so. We always go on about  the rights of citizenship but what about the obligations a citizen has to his country.
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« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2019, 05:28:53 pm »
Britain revoked his citizenship because they can under their law. We have no place telling other countries who they must have as citizens. I think the Brits are using his Canadian citizenship as a cop out but it is our law that will allow it, not theirs.

That’s fine.  But that doesn’t mean Canada necessarily has to take him...   we’re allowed to have an opinion on Jack, regardless of British law.  If Canada is of the opinion that he’s not our’s to deal with, that seems fine to me.  Jihadi-Jack can fight it in court, of course. 
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« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2019, 05:59:54 pm »
We always go on about  the rights of citizenship but what about the obligations a citizen has to his country.

Ya, I asked that very question on the other site one time and everyone agreed that citizens have no responsibilities or obligations.  It was weird.
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« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2019, 06:02:01 pm »
Ya, I asked that very question on the other site one time and everyone agreed that citizens have no responsibilities or obligations.  It was weird.

So enlighten us...   what are the obligations we should have as citizens or have our citizenship taken away?


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« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2019, 06:35:45 pm »
Even if you were born somewhere else, never lived in Canada and have publicly stated you are British, not Canadian? What do we owe such a person?

I find it ironic that the Trudeau gov is treating Jack just like the Harper gov treated Omar Khadr.  Looks like the UK are the smart ones & now we look like the fools, again.
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« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2019, 06:53:48 pm »
Looks like the UK are the smart ones & now we look like the fools, again.

No, the UK are the immoral ones.
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« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2019, 07:31:52 pm »
So enlighten us...   what are the obligations we should have as citizens or have our citizenship taken away?
Not to fight for terrorist organizations against our own military for starters. I'm not  in favour of making people stateless but dual citizens who weren't born or live here, dam right.
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Re: The Jihadi Jack Affair
« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2019, 08:18:43 am »
Perhaps if we are dead set on making Citizenship an irrevocable right. Then we probably shouldn't be allowing people who've never lived in Canada and have no loyalty to Canada be citizens.
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