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Offline wilber

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« Reply #60 on: October 16, 2020, 05:34:13 pm »
One thing you could do is not allow tax deductions for medical expenses incurred outside the public system for procedures that are also provided by the public system.
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« Reply #61 on: October 17, 2020, 01:42:01 am »
can you point to countries that have 2-tier systems where the 'public tier' hasn't been compromised by the development/expansion of the 'private tier'?
Sweden

hey now members squiggy & wilber - as you both are fronting Sweden's healthcare system, I'm surprised you're offering nothing... nada... bupkis to validate your claim.

like, for instance, what's the penetration rate of private coverage. What's this about Sweden's private being principally an outlet for employer based groupings? Any thoughts on how you'd like to draw a parallel between the healthcare role/responsibility of municipalities in Sweden to that of, say, provinces in Canada? Any thoughts on how/why the national Swedish government actually sets policy (policy, not standards) for all the counties/municipalities... and how that is completely opposite to what exists in Canada? And, hey now, what's this I'm reading about the inequities of coverage between "Old Stock Swedes"  ;D and new immigrant types? And waddabout actual problems with the Swedish system - like wait times! Wait now - how can wait times still be a problem for a 2-tier system you're pimpin' out, hey!

c'mon, amateurs! Get in the game...
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« Reply #62 on: October 17, 2020, 03:59:24 pm »
 ;D hey now members squiggy & wilber - after such long & hard work, I am continually heartened to watch your Pavlovian response that has you so conditioned to now regularly substitute the 'informative tag' in place of the... 'dumb tag'! Good boys... would you like your tummies rubbed?
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« Reply #63 on: October 17, 2020, 04:35:51 pm »
You need to first stfu and then start to try to explain what you think you mean by your two-tier system in which there is no top and bottom. Or better still, stop wasting peoples' time with your silly nonsense.

This coming form someone who was disappointed in me using the word "retardos".  And then said you wanted to "build bridges with me".  Your above post is retardo.
I can tell how good of a person you are by how you treat the people you disagree with.

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« Reply #64 on: October 17, 2020, 05:27:53 pm »
;D hey now members squiggy & wilber - after such long & hard work, I am continually heartened to watch your Pavlovian response that has you so conditioned to now regularly substitute the 'informative tag' in place of the... 'dumb tag'! Good boys... would you like your tummies rubbed?

I'm just open to ideas that could make timely healthcare available to more people. Sorry if that interferes with your agenda.
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« Reply #65 on: October 17, 2020, 07:26:50 pm »
I'm just open to ideas that could make timely healthcare available to more people. Sorry if that interferes with your agenda.

If you have public healthcare and only public healthcare, the gov needs to fund it adequately.

My province doesn't give adequate funding to healthcare, and so people suffer needlessly and inhumanely.

I can tell how good of a person you are by how you treat the people you disagree with.
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Offline waldo

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« Reply #66 on: October 18, 2020, 11:40:52 am »
I'm just open to ideas that could make timely healthcare available to more people. Sorry if that interferes with your agenda.

don't couch your position now! Be loud & proud about wanting 2-tier healthcare in Canada. And ya, if my, as you say, "agenda"... is to question/challenge your position/statements favouring 2-tier healthcare, guilty as charged!

I note you... and member squiggy still haven't replied with anything to support your claim concerning Sweden's health system - is there a problem for you guys, hey?
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« Reply #67 on: October 18, 2020, 12:10:46 pm »
This coming form someone who was disappointed in me using the word "retardos".  And then said you wanted to "build bridges with me".  Your above post is retardo.

I thought it was appropriate for wilber at the time.  Sometimes it's best to be stern with rightists. And as for you, once is o.k. but if you keep that sort of childish behaviour up then you'll also be treated the same way. Just remember who it was that started to burn bridges.
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« Reply #68 on: October 18, 2020, 03:22:15 pm »
I thought it was appropriate for wilber at the time.  Sometimes it's best to be stern with rightists. And as for you, once is o.k. but if you keep that sort of childish behaviour up then you'll also be treated the same way. Just remember who it was that started to burn bridges.

If you can't discuss anything without using labels, you are just plain lazy.
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« Reply #69 on: October 19, 2020, 12:54:47 pm »
One thing you could do is not allow tax deductions for medical expenses incurred outside the public system for procedures that are also provided by the public system.

Have you become a leftist wilbur, or are you just confused? If it's the former then welcome to the real world in Canada.
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« Reply #70 on: October 19, 2020, 03:23:11 pm »
Have you become a leftist wilbur, or are you just confused? If it's the former then welcome to the real world in Canada.

No Monty, I have an open mind when it comes to our health care system. I'm not a champion of two tier systems but there may be some advantages to parallel systems. If you have some other ideas, feel free to bring them up but if you are stuck at just throwing more money at the present system, there isn't much to discuss.

Try it without the labels and insults, you might get a better response. You just come across as a left wing Trump with your dismissive insulting attitude.
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« Reply #71 on: October 19, 2020, 05:02:51 pm »
Try it without the labels and insults, you might get a better response. You just come across as a left wing Trump with your dismissive insulting attitude.

I thought Montgomery was a rightist, given his attitude towards indigenous fishing rights.  Rightists are often anti-indigenous rights.
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« Reply #72 on: October 20, 2020, 12:46:55 pm »
No Monty, I have an open mind when it comes to our health care system. I'm not a champion of two tier systems but there may be some advantages to parallel systems. If you have some other ideas, feel free to bring them up but if you are stuck at just throwing more money at the present system, there isn't much to discuss.

Try it without the labels and insults, you might get a better response. You just come across as a left wing Trump with your dismissive insulting attitude.

In a sense I agree that your mind has been opened wilbur, but now it's time to patch the hole.
You can rightly accuse me of wanting to throw more money at the present system, because I haven't heard any other solutions to what is lacking in our healthcare system.

So now if you've patched up the hole then how about a Conservative idea or two?

As to your non-specific suggestion that there could be some advantage to a 'parallel' (?) system, I'll provide something a bit more specific. Anyone who wants something different from what is provided to Canadians, are free to travel to some other country to get it.

So what are you on about wilbur, if not just blowing smoke up a dead dog's a-s?
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« Reply #73 on: October 31, 2020, 09:27:21 am »
This post reminds us of what is wrong with mouldy Green Energy Policy! The article illustrates LIE-beral greed and stupidity and why electricity costs so much and NDPees and Greenies are merely the LESS INTELLIGENT COUSINS of LIE-berals! The article has some comments of my own in brackets):

The shocking incompetence of Liberal energy policy

First posted: Saturday, July 01, 2017 07:17 PM EDT | Updated: Saturday, July 01, 2017 07:59 PM EDT

As Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne might say, given her propensity for wasting our money, “What’s another billion?”

This time, a billion dollars is the amount the Ontario Society of Professional Engineers (OSPE) says the Wynne government wasted last year alone dumping clean energy down the drain.

OSPE past president Paul Acchione explained the culprit is “curtailment ... an industry term that means the power was not needed in Ontario, and could not be exported, so it was dumped.

“It’s when we tell our dams to let the water spill over top, our nuclear generators to release their steam, and our wind turbines not to turn, even when it’s windy,” Acchione said.

“These numbers show that Ontario’s cleanest source of power is literally going down the drain because we’re producing too much ... it’s an unnecessary waste of beautiful, clean energy, and it’s driving up the cost of electricity.”

(Much of this mess is driven by the need to make room on the power grid for the mouldy green energy so beloved of LIE-berals! LIE-berals have agreed to buy any and all green energy produced by friends of the LIE-beral Party- at rates hundreds of percent above the cost of other forms of generation- and LIE-berals do not care that we have NO WAY to shut off the production of mouldy green even when we have way more power than we need! LIE-beral friends ARE ENTITLED and to shut off their flow of gravy for any reason would be LIE-beral/WRONG!)

This is distinct from the money Ontario loses when it sells electricity to Quebec and the U.S. at a loss because we have a huge energy surplus.

“Taken together,” Acchione said, “total exports represent nearly enough electricity to power every home in Ontario for an entire year.”

The situation is so bad — according to a 2015 report by Auditor General Bonnie Lysyk, Ontario pays twice the U.S. average for wind power and 3.5 times for solar power — that the basic theory of successful investing, buy low, sell high, has been turned on its head in Ontario.

Here, our Liberal government buys high and sells low, which we all pay for through our hydro bills.

OSPE says the root problem is the politicization of energy policy.

(The most outrageous part of LIE-beral policy is that our green energy is actually producing MORE air pollution- NOT LESS! First we have the huge plume of green house gas to produce all the concrete and steel for wind towers and support towers to connect to the main power grid; plus the array of toxic chemicals needed to make the carbon fibre wind blades; then add in the fuel for natural gas fired generators that MUST be kept FULLY fired up 24/7 and ready to take over at a moments notice because the costly green energy is so unreliable! LIE-berals have turned our electrical generation system into a VAST slush fund for LIE-beral pals- WITHOUT actually doing anything to clean the air!)

“It is imperative that we depoliticize what should be technical judgments regarding energy mix, generation, distribution, pricing and future investments in Ontario,” President Jonathan Hack said.

But even when the Liberal government gets good advice from its experts, it ignores it.

(Water powered generators are the cheapest form of generators but they are also the easiest to SHUT OFF- just a flip of the switch and water spills away- with the added bonus that water generators need the smallest work force to operate since the technology is so simple. But a nuclear power station- with highly skilled staff-  takes three days to go safely from idle speed to full power and another three days to go back to idle again- no fast reaction there! And thanks to the greed and incompetence of Atomic Energy scientists, our govt has hired specialists from Britain and France to run the nuclear plants- and their corporate bosses EXPECT a return on their investment in our system! So for reasons of political expediency AND LIE-beral GREED, the cheapest and cleanest form of electrical generation-water power- is being DUMPED!) 
 
Lysyk in 2015 — completing work started by her predecessor, Jim McCarter, in 2011 — reported that Ontario paid $9.2 billion extra for 20-year contracts with wind and solar power developers because it sweetened the deals, despite the fact its own experts said its existing procurement program was successfully doing the job.

Even worse, Ontario didn’t need wind and solar power to replace coal-fired electricity, which the Liberals actually did with nuclear power and natural gas.

The ultimate absurdity is that the Liberals continue to sign new wind and solar contracts, despite the province’s massive energy surplus, caused in part by the loss of manufacturing jobs due to skyrocketing electricity prices.

If you think the Liberals don’t know what they’re doing, other than kicking the crisis down the road by subsidizing electricity prices to the tune of $24 billion, which could eventually cost Ontarians up to $93 billion, according to Ontario Financial Accountability Officer Stephen LeClair, you’re right.

(Ontari-owe LIE-berals remain dedicated to their mouldy green energy slush fund. They have read the tea leaves and know they will not likely be in power after the June 2018 election- so they have quietly signed 4 year labour contracts with the civil service Hogs that are virtually the ONLY supporters of LIE-berals and they will hope we have short memories and can be persuaded to re-elect LIE-berals in the 2022 election!)

(If LIE-berals do retain power in the 2018 election then in 2019 we can look forward to an economic blood bath as LIE-berals loot and pillage to pay off their HUGE IOU`s to civil service Hogs! And if they return to power in 2022, then we can look forward THEN to the economic blood bath that LIE-berals want to drown us in as they seek to cling to power at any price!)

(Old news reports from several years back- the ones LIE-beral friendly news media now do not want to discuss-.told us that 97 percent of ALL civil service union Hog pensions were rapidly approaching bankrupt status. LIE-berals cannot shovel cash fast enough into the greedy pockets of Hogs with the result that the cost of LIE-beral promises grows rapidly at a pace way beyond inflation with each passing day- compounded and amortized! We could not pay when the promises were originally made and we cannot pay now that the mess has been added to with compound interest! But LIE-berals WILL continue to use our electrical generation system to milk cash from us any way they can! Without that gravy to placate Hogs and without the votes the gravy buys from special interest groups such as Muslims who hate us; LIE-berals could not be elected to collect dog crap in the parks!)
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« Reply #74 on: October 31, 2020, 12:09:06 pm »


That's far to much of a scatterfun approach to answer northland, so I've taken one of your issues to be my part to debate with you.

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(The most outrageous part of LIE-beral policy is that our green energy is actually producing MORE air pollution- NOT LESS! First we have the huge plume of green house gas to produce all the concrete and steel for wind towers and support towers to connect to the main power grid; plus the array of toxic chemicals needed to make the carbon fibre wind blades;

That can't possibly be true unless you can produce figures for a period of time that would make wind energy environment neutral.

If you intend to make a case against Lie-bruls then I'll be the first to invite you. And now to fail to make the case is just discrediting yourself and the Conservative talking points as fallacious.
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