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« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2020, 03:19:17 pm »
The bogey man card.

Harper had six years to do that, why didn't he?

There were lots of indications of Harper's Consdervatives covert attempts to mess with our health care system. One of them being their close cooperation with the stated goals of the Fraser Institute.

Our health care system is sacred to Canadians and so no overt moves by the Conservatives would ever be tolerated. It requires stealth by them to even make small incremental changes. But there's no denying that they're seeing  literally billions of dollars in the prospects! Even just the appearance of being close to the Fraser Institute is bringing the Cons hundreds of thousands already!

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« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2020, 06:22:07 pm »
There were lots of indications of Harper's Consdervatives covert attempts to mess with our health care system. One of them being their close cooperation with the stated goals of the Fraser Institute.

Our health care system is sacred to Canadians and so no overt moves by the Conservatives would ever be tolerated. It requires stealth by them to even make small incremental changes. But there's no denying that they're seeing  literally billions of dollars in the prospects! Even just the appearance of being close to the Fraser Institute is bringing the Cons hundreds of thousands already!




Whatever. Just another conspiracy rant with nothing to back it up.
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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2020, 03:46:50 am »
So for instance with the Conservatives: I can see them being all for upholding our universal health care system and then after winning an election, start bringing in a two-tier system.
The bogey man card.

Harper had six years to do that, why didn't he?
There were lots of indications of Harper's Conservatives covert attempts to mess with our health care system.
Whatever. Just another conspiracy rant with nothing to back it up.

you mean the same Stephen Harper who labeled Canada a, "northern European welfare state in the worst sense of the term"... that guy, right? Wily Harper learned his lesson after seeing the public/media reaction to the Reform Party openly stating its goal to privatize healthcare. Of course one of the more visible strategy moves was to refuse to meet/participate in 1st minister meetings... cause that whole purpose of Provincial Premiers looking to work more collaboratively with each other just got in the way of his want to incrementally reduce the activity of the federal government with provinces. As that applied directly to healthcare, Harper Conservatives were all about manipulating the health-spending formula to ensure provinces received less monies under the amended formula... less monies than what the provinces determined they needed. Of course as public medicare struggled and public complaints grew, for profit private companies were primed to position as alternatives to appease public frustrations. Following the Harper Conservative playbook, tax cuts were key to reducing available federal revenue for public services outright! Really member wilber - as this board's most vocal c/Conservative apologist, its a part of the/your brand to couch the want towards health privatization in terms of, "a bogeyman & baseless conspiracy filled ranting" - yes?

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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2020, 10:21:57 am »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EesJgyfFZxY&feature=emb_logo ... and yes member wilber, a lower rate increase is a... cut

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« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2020, 11:55:15 am »
https://lop.parl.ca/sites/PublicWebsite/default/en_CA/ResearchPublications/201845E
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/who-s-behind-the-anti-andrew-scheer-ad-airing-during-raptors-game-1.4460332

geezaz member wilber! 2 go-fetch links in a row; I indulged your first one... but won't bother with your latest. If only you could rise to actually quoting from your links and attempting to make some... any... points! If only.

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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2020, 12:14:29 pm »
geezaz member wilber! 2 go-fetch links in a row; I indulged your first one... but won't bother with your latest. If only you could rise to actually quoting from your links and attempting to make some... any... points! If only.

You are a lost cause waldo. Others can read the links and decide for themselves.
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« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2020, 01:00:02 pm »
your go-fetch links aren't conducive to discussion. Of course you've done this many times in the past - for whatever reason you have the time/motivation to research, to find the articles, to post links to the articles... but say diddly about the content of your linked articles. You want others to spend their time peeling through your linked articles trying to infer some point they think you might be trying to make!


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« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2020, 01:12:34 pm »
your go-fetch links aren't conducive to discussion. Of course you've done this many times in the past - for whatever reason you have the time/motivation to research, to find the articles, to post links to the articles... but say diddly about the content of your linked articles. You want others to spend their time peeling through your linked articles trying to infer some point they think you might be trying to make!



The Conservatives will always be saddled with their need to turn our health care system into a private insurance failure like America's. That will work for the right's politics in the US but it can never work in Canada. They won't give up their hope but they will pretend to give it up.

How delightfully satisfying to hear people like our wilbur struggle with it!
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« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2020, 01:26:39 pm »
your go-fetch links aren't conducive to discussion. Of course you've done this many times in the past - for whatever reason you have the time/motivation to research, to find the articles, to post links to the articles... but say diddly about the content of your linked articles. You want others to spend their time peeling through your linked articles trying to infer some point they think you might be trying to make!



Your links to political attack adds are even less conducive. Not conducive at all, they could have been written by yourself.
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« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2020, 01:28:31 pm »
Your links to political attack adds are even less conducive. Not conducive at all, they could have been written by yourself.

And so how do 'you' want to 'improve' Canada's health care system wilbur?

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« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2020, 02:08:45 pm »
And so how do 'you' want to 'improve' Canada's health care system wilbur?
Right back atcha, you havenít said anything about improving it.
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« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2020, 02:30:17 pm »
Right back atcha, you havenít said anything about improving it.

That's an easy one wilbur. The answer, as it always is, in increasing funding. Fighting against doing that is the Conservatives best talking point.

And that's also the main key to improving quality.

And so are you going to run away from the question? How do you want to improve it?

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« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2020, 05:28:30 pm »
That's an easy one wilbur. The answer, as it always is, in increasing funding. Fighting against doing that is the Conservatives best talking point.

And that's also the main key to improving quality.

And so are you going to run away from the question? How do you want to improve it?

That's it? More money? Wow, impressive.
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