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Offline MH

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Talking Green (ie. the party)
« on: October 05, 2020, 07:04:07 am »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annamie_Paul

Well, this is an interesting leader.  Interesting that this person interned with Conservatives and Liberals in Ontario.

A woman who checks off minority boxes is well positioned to bring in pragmatic and progressive climate and economic legislation.  She's certainly got the certification and the background.  Let's see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z8qcro_2_4

Well spoken, obviously. 

What policy is she putting forward ?

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/new-green-leader-annamie-paul-on-who-she-is-and-whats-next-for-her-party/

Vague.  Universal Income and Pharmacare, so... maybe they can add universal childcare and be Liberal ?

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Offline Bubbermiley

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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2020, 07:48:33 am »
It's ridiculous that the party even exists. How many ways can you split the anti-CPC vote before they wind up getting a permanent majority?
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2020, 11:52:29 am »
It's ridiculous that the party even exists. How many ways can you split the anti-CPC vote before they wind up getting a permanent majority?

So are you in favour of a two party system, or a one party system?
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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2020, 11:58:49 am »
The Green Party was known in Ontario as having a strong Conservative presence, since it's not anti-business it is pro-sustainability.  There's an element of taxation reform that was in there that some conservatives enjoyed.

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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2020, 12:11:13 pm »
The Green revolution is going to have to come from within the two major parties in Canada. By far the most likely will be the Liberals.

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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2020, 12:38:27 pm »
The Green revolution is going to have to come from within the two major parties in Canada. By far the most likely will be the Liberals.

Still, there's no reason why the CONSERVE-atives shouldn't take this on and own it.  It was George Bush Sr.'s administration that tackled the ozone hole using liberal principles.

But they are too enamoured of the prospect of getting the many unwashed to vote for them so they will make anti-UN statements.  I think the Liberals are our best hope and I have been incredibly cynical about them for decades.

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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2020, 12:39:21 pm »
The Green revolution is going to have to come from within the two major parties in Canada. By far the most likely will be the Liberals.

The Libs are only too happy with the status quo.  It will take pushing by other parties/provinces and citizens to force them into anything green.
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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2020, 12:51:29 pm »
It's ridiculous that the party even exists. How many ways can you split the anti-CPC vote before they wind up getting a permanent majority?
This suggests left wingers are perhaps more willing to put specific principles first and risk what might come from striking off on their own. It also suggests right wingers are more apt to ignore the stench of the more odious views expressed under the 'Big Tent' and follow its principles instead. The Greens aren't trying to split anything they're just trying to stick to their guns.

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« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2020, 01:33:59 pm »
The Libs are only too happy with the status quo.  It will take pushing by other parties/provinces and citizens to force them into anything green.

good on ya for recognizing the Green Party will never form government - good on ya!

by the by, just what is "your" plan - please... please bring forward that silly Green Party plan previously (so easily) dispatched in earlier threads - yes?


Canadian Liberal Governments Pan Canadian Framework on Clean Growth and Climate Change:

- First Annual Synthesis Report on the Status of Implementation – December 2017

- Second Annual Synthesis Report on the Status of Implementation – December 2018

- Third Annual Synthesis Report on the Status of Implementation – July 2020


Quote from: Natural Resources Minister Seamus O’Regan
Affordable, safe nuclear power is key to reaching Canada's climate goals. I have not seen a credible plan for net zero without nuclear as part of the mix.

since early spring, O'Regan has been emphasizing the need for investments in clean technology... particularly hydrogen fuel cells and small modular reactors (SMRs) - and member squiggy, what about your Green Party, hey?
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« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2020, 02:10:38 am »
So are you in favour of a two party system, or a one party system?

I would've liked to see the People's Party gain some traction and we have a true multi-party system but our current number of parties only benefit the CPC.

There was a good (and effective) reason Alliance and PC merged together.

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« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2020, 05:54:20 am »
I would've liked to see the People's Party gain some traction and we have a true multi-party system but our current number of parties only benefit the CPC.

There was a good (and effective) reason Alliance and PC merged together.

So multi party systems are only good if they give the result you want?
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« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2020, 12:10:28 pm »
So multi party systems are only good if they give the result you want?

It's a real shame but the NDP is getting in the way now. There's hope with Trudeau because he's more left than his party, but is slowly moving his party more left.

And there's always the possibility that the Liberals will be pulled back toward the right and socially irresponsible government.

I think a good sound defeat of Trump in the land of the gun will tend to be a heavy influence on Canada's political trend for the next decade or more. The opposite would be disaster for the world and will be a resurgence of fascism to have to deal with.

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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2020, 07:09:45 pm »
It's a real shame but the NDP is getting in the way now. There's hope with Trudeau because he's more left than his party, but is slowly moving his party more left.

And there's always the possibility that the Liberals will be pulled back toward the right and socially irresponsible government.

I think a good sound defeat of Trump in the land of the gun will tend to be a heavy influence on Canada's political trend for the next decade or more. The opposite would be disaster for the world and will be a resurgence of fascism to have to deal with.

I see you aren't a fan of PR either. You know, the reform JT promised in 2015.
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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2020, 01:03:03 pm »
I see you aren't a fan of PR either. You know, the reform JT promised in 2015.

Priorities and promises change with the weather. I'm more into looking for a Liberal party move to either the left or the right.
The Liberals and the Conservatives will usually do that which brings the most support from the people, and then revise their moves later to be in tune with their politics.

So for instance with the Conservatives: I can see them being all for upholding our universal health care system and then after winning an election, start bringing in a two-tier system.

Or you could probably think up some other scenario on how the Liberals would need to lie and  then backtrack?

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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2020, 03:08:31 pm »
Priorities and promises change with the weather. I'm more into looking for a Liberal party move to either the left or the right.
The Liberals and the Conservatives will usually do that which brings the most support from the people, and then revise their moves later to be in tune with their politics.

So for instance with the Conservatives: I can see them being all for upholding our universal health care system and then after winning an election, start bringing in a two-tier system.

Or you could probably think up some other scenario on how the Liberals would need to lie and  then backtrack?

The bogey man card.

Harper had six years to do that, why didn't he?
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