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« Reply #120 on: February 27, 2019, 04:17:54 pm »
Fact:

https://www.canadalandshow.com/correcting-jj-mccullough-on-refugees/
That source is garbage in comparison to the one I provided. No offense. Watch some YouTube videos of millions of "refugees" blocking trucking routes, while trekking towards Western Europe.  If you want right wing parties to rule Europe within 10 years, by all means, grant them all asylum.
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« Reply #121 on: February 27, 2019, 04:21:04 pm »
That source is garbage in comparison to the one I provided. No offense.

Only because it refutes your diatribe. No offense.

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« Reply #122 on: February 27, 2019, 04:28:32 pm »
https://globalnews.ca/news/3532646/bill-c6-passes-senate/?fbclid=IwAR1KZJ1nu2y7ORzkCYYMEBkEaVHfVWvIrc2ljCmjLaLqQZoRMlmmFZJ33Go

Liberals just made it easier for terrorists to come back to Canada.  Seems like Canadian citizenship is a "Get Out of Jail Free" card for terrorists.  >:(

This will inevitably backfire, and pave the road for the rise of far right parties in Canada, just like Europe.
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« Reply #123 on: February 27, 2019, 04:30:48 pm »
This will inevitably backfire, and pave the road for the rise of far right parties in Canada, just like Europe.

I think most Canadians are too smart to let that happen. Thankfully.
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Re: Returning ISIS Fighters
« Reply #124 on: February 27, 2019, 04:37:58 pm »
That source is garbage in comparison to the one I provided. No offense. Watch some YouTube videos of millions of "refugees" blocking trucking routes, while trekking towards Western Europe.  If you want right wing parties to rule Europe within 10 years, by all means, grant them all asylum.

The script he quotes does not directly address how there are at the current time 4 streams of entry:

1-traditional immigration, i.e., apply for permanent residency, applying as a foreign temporary worker, skilled tradesperson or professional, sponsorship
2-asking for status as a UN convention defined refugee
3-seeking the right to permanent residency in Canada, and/or citizenship on the grounds of claiming the need for protection from the state due to imminent fear of threat of death on return home or because of torture or undue hardship or treatment if sent home
4-illegal entrants who would be disqualified as refugee applicants because of coming from the US a third party safe state if they entered at a legal port of entry but if they enter illegally then they are allowed a refugee hearing.

That script does not explain how the Immigration Ministry and its support agencies are budgeted and how priority is given to what immigration programs.

That script does not explain how refugees impact at other levels of government that could compete for the same funds that might be ear-marked for other services.

It is ridiculous for example to use that script as it for example does not address the extra amount of taxes provinces must now raise for social welfare benefits, housing, medical care and education.

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« Reply #125 on: February 27, 2019, 04:47:28 pm »
Not sure if you have children, but enjoy your daughter's being violated by those who follow Sharia Law.

A little inflammatory but I believe appropriate. I have a problem of a mother of children who joins ISIS. How? How would they have no idea what ISIS stood for including the killing
of innocent children and the **** and murder of women and mutilation of those challenging ISIS's concept of Islam.

How does someone run off with a terrorist organization whose very beliefs violate the most basic of Islamic laws let alone international or other laws?

What bullshit is it to run off with a terrorist and then when they get defeated think you come back to the very country you are at war with as if nothing happened.

We have a moral leadership vacuum. We need an international convention or treaty as to the treatment of terrorists. I believe they should be stripped of any nation's citizenship and be placed under arrest and sent to a prison administered by a council funded by the UN and such persons serve a sentence, and then are required to stay in that damn prison indefinitely for murder or with other crimes until such time as a nation agrees to take them back according to a specific schedule of testing and conditions of return that could be removed at any time leading to deportation back to this prison. Citizenship is predicated on following the laws of the society where the citizen lives. If this individual chooses to violate those laws by committing acts of terror they need to lose their citizenship and understand its a privilege not  a fundamental right.

The problem is the world does not have the will to do this. It would require a collective agreement as to moral standards something we are not remotely close to at this time. As well the solution I propose could be misused to enforce an immoral one world government preventing legitimate political dissent without proper safeguards so its tricky.
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« Reply #126 on: February 27, 2019, 04:51:53 pm »
"A little inflammatory"? That's just as retarded a response as was the original comment. And you profess to be a lawyer? ho ho. Hey you know where the rightwingtards usually hang out eh?
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« Reply #127 on: February 27, 2019, 05:38:58 pm »
"A little inflammatory"? That's just as retarded a response as was the original comment. And you profess to be a lawyer? ho ho. Hey you know where the rightwingtards usually hang out eh?

Fitness clubs, golf clubs, NHL games, etc. Centre-right individuals usually have more disposable income compared to left leaning people. Mainly because the left tend to be younger, and more naive as to the realities of today's political climate.
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« Reply #128 on: February 28, 2019, 09:56:16 pm »


The IRB doesn't make refugee determinations alone. They need to work with CBSA, IRCC, RCMP, and CSIS.  ie: A backlog of criminal checks done by CBSA/RCMP/CSIS can produce delays in the system for IRCC too, as all immigrants need criminal checks, and the wave of asylum seekers have overwhelmed the CBSA in their removals of rejected immigration claimants of all types.

Refugee claimants also need health cards from their province of residence, they need to apply for work permits with IRCC etc, and this causes pressure on these systems too.  This requires more resources, more employees.  To hire a gov employee you have to create the job posting, test the applicants, then interview them, then do security checks on them, then stick them in a pool for managers to hire them.  Then they need to create the extra office space to put these new hires.  Then the new hires need to be trained.  Government hires are usually slow, they can't just pluck someone off the street in most cases unlike private companies.

Ask Rue if the asylum seekers have caused some delays at IRCC for other types of immigrants.
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« Reply #129 on: February 28, 2019, 11:41:51 pm »
The IRB doesn't make refugee determinations alone. They need to work with CBSA, IRCC, RCMP, and CSIS.  ie: A backlog of criminal checks done by CBSA/RCMP/CSIS can produce delays in the system for IRCC too, as all immigrants need criminal checks, and the wave of asylum seekers have overwhelmed the CBSA in their removals of rejected immigration claimants of all types.

no - in his typical incoherent way, the original member claimed asylum seekers are, "bumping down more deserving migrants". Notwithstanding the original member didn't... couldn't... qualify "deserving", within the distinct silos of IRB & IRCC, there is no single processing queue with "bump downs of more deserving by less deserving" occurring. If you want to speak to the triage process and efficiencies within the broader system collective, fine - but that has nothing to do with the claim/premise fronted in that original post I replied to.
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« Reply #130 on: February 28, 2019, 11:53:08 pm »
IMO, it is very unwise to grant refugees asylum, if they have criminal histories.
are you aware of and/or can you show examples/evidence of the IRB granting asylum to asylum-seekers with criminal histories?

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« Reply #131 on: March 03, 2019, 09:43:23 pm »
The IRB doesn't make refugee determinations alone. They need to work with CBSA, IRCC, RCMP, and CSIS.  ie: A backlog of criminal checks done by CBSA/RCMP/CSIS can produce delays in the system for IRCC too, as all immigrants need criminal checks, and the wave of asylum seekers have overwhelmed the CBSA in their removals of rejected immigration claimants of all types.

Refugee claimants also need health cards from their province of residence, they need to apply for work permits with IRCC etc, and this causes pressure on these systems too.  This requires more resources, more employees.  To hire a gov employee you have to create the job posting, test the applicants, then interview them, then do security checks on them, then stick them in a pool for managers to hire them.  Then they need to create the extra office space to put these new hires.  Then the new hires need to be trained.  Government hires are usually slow, they can't just pluck someone off the street in most cases unlike private companies.

Ask Rue if the asylum seekers have caused some delays at IRCC for other types of immigrants.

Of course.  I  spent a lot of time defending the very people Omni et  al think they understand . The current liberal policies have caused far more harm to refugees and immigrants than anyone.

Our system now penalizes legitimate immigrants and has choked the system  diverting attention way from legitimate refugees not to mention now protects returning terrorists and criminal fugitives fleeing other nations. It is a colossal mess and chaotic waste of resources. I welcome Omni's bigotry. Bwana Sahib Omni I know well. He likes swarthy people until they move next door.

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« Reply #132 on: March 03, 2019, 09:52:15 pm »
Of course.  I  spent a lot of time defending the very people Omni et  al think they understand . The current liberal policies have caused far more harm to refugees and immigrants than anyone.

Our system now penalizes legitimate immigrants and has choked the system  diverting attention way from legitimate refugees not to mention now protects returning terrorists and criminal fugitives fleeing other nations. It is a colossal mess and chaotic waste of resources. I welcome Omni's bigotry. Bwana Sahib Omni I know well. He likes swarthy people until they move next door.

Some of my best friends are lawyers. I mean sure they have big noses and eat too much tried chicken but come on where would we be without cream of wheat, pancakes, converted rice. Yassh we loyazz jus luv serving Omni when he gets drunk and calls us to gets his butt outta jayill. Yassuhbwhen Omni dun gitt my bill he gunna calling day omnibustbill. He done gunna be busted when he finish paying.

Hahaha. How the hell could you ever defend anybody when you don't even understand the difference between how our law deals with an asylum seeker who may jump the border and someone who goes to a check point? My oh my! Perhaps you should try and learn something from your supposed lawyer friends.

PS- your little spelling play game makes me wonder who's drunk.