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Offline JMT

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Re: RCMP
« Reply #75 on: June 14, 2020, 06:42:39 pm »
ya ya, you're just pissed there's an extended video that calls into question the fabricated "saintly chief" portrayal being fronted

That doesn't in any way excuse the actions of the second officer.

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« Reply #76 on: June 15, 2020, 03:23:59 pm »
  OR yes maybe the cop was doing something illegal.

Ya, maybe ... like a setup.

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The chief also had a history with the RCMP, he said ""Chief Adam f--king tells you, 'I'm tired of being harassed by the RCMP.'"

The RCMP have a "history" of harassing the Chief.

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There's no point in commenting on the case until it gets to court and we find out all the details of what actually happened during the encounter, what was said etc.

It won't make it to court.

*Yelling and swearing at police is not illegal.
No grounds for arrest.

* An out of date plate sticker may deserve a ticket.
No grounds for arrest.

* Resisting arrest is not a legitimate charge if there are
no grounds for arrest.
It gets thrown out  before court,
no reasonable prospect of conviction.

*Assaulting a police officer is not a legitimate charge if the officer put hands on him first
with no grounds for arrest.

What you have here is a setup, an old-fashioned police trick mostly abandoned by police forces because it is usually thrown out of court now.

This is an old and worn out setup for harassing Indigenous people, nothing more.

I'm not sure what charges can be laid against police, but I look forward to seeing them go down.
This is perhaps where the RCMP begin to learn that what is still common practice to them is systemic racism, unprofessional conduct and brutal assault to most people.

« Last Edit: June 15, 2020, 04:56:44 pm by Granny »

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Re: RCMP
« Reply #77 on: June 15, 2020, 05:20:50 pm »
*Yelling and swearing at police is not illegal.
No grounds for arrest.

True.

The biggest thing the chief did wrong was threaten the cop and go into the karate stance.  This happened before the cop touched anyone.  He could get charged for that, but with this media uproar maybe they'll let it slide.

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What you have here is a setup, an old-fashioned police trick mostly abandoned by police forces because it is usually thrown out of court now.

You could be right, who knows, we need more context.  I'd love to know more details on why the chief was so upset over a sticker for an expired plate.  He said the RCMP had been harassing him previously.  I'd like to hear more details about that.  Maybe they do have it out for the chief.  I know if cops were following me and nabbing me for tickets all the time I'd be PO'd too.  But at the same time, if he did have expired plates and that's on the chief, i don't see that as harassment unless they've been purposefully following this guy around town, which is possible.  Granny, you're making a lot of assumptions that could be true but aren't proven.
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Re: RCMP
« Reply #78 on: June 16, 2020, 07:30:53 am »
Chief Alan Adam:
https://www.aptnnews.ca/national-news/chief-allan-adam-calls-for-rcmp-overhaul-after-violent-arrest-video/

Athabasca Chipewyan Chief Allan Adam calls on the RCMP to acknowledge the presence of systemic racism in the ranks and reform their system as he recounts his rough treatment at the hands of police in an interview with APTN News.

“They have to overhaul their system. Systemic racism goes back with the RCMP over 150 years since they were formed, and it’s deep rooted that much,” Adam said in an interview on Friday. “They don’t even realize and they don’t even recognize anymore, is that it’s part of day to day life. It’s forgotten, but it’s deep rooted so bad that it is part of their norm.”


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« Reply #79 on: June 16, 2020, 07:38:40 am »
True.

The biggest thing the chief did wrong was threaten the cop and go into the karate stance.  This happened before the cop touched anyone.  He could get charged for that, but with this media uproar maybe they'll let it slide.

You could be right, who knows, we need more context.  I'd love to know more details on why the chief was so upset over a sticker for an expired plate.  He said the RCMP had been harassing him previously.  I'd like to hear more details about that.  Maybe they do have it out for the chief.  I know if cops were following me and nabbing me for tickets all the time I'd be PO'd too.  But at the same time, if he did have expired plates and that's on the chief, i don't see that as harassment unless they've been purposefully following this guy around town, which is possible.  Granny, you're making a lot of assumptions that could be true but aren't proven.

“He reached in to grab my wife and I said. ‘Take your hand off her.’ I got out and I went around the other side and I asked him, ‘Why are you doing this?’ Basically, he said he was doing what he was doing. I just stood there and watched what he did to my wife.”

The truck-bed obscures the view in the video somewhat at this point, but it looks like the cop starts twisting his wife’s arm and pushes her against the vehicle. Adam jumps out and steps between the two and assumes a fighting stance.


Then the other cops arrive and Adam is violently attacked.
Cop does the usual routine that cops do now that cameras are on them, of repeatedly yelling "Don't resist!" to someone who is not resisting, while cop brutally assaults him.

Cops may weasel out, but the impact is BIG this time.
The RCMP was conceived as an agent of government genocide against Indigenous people, and that discrimination it is built into their system. They don't even recognize it as systemic racism, so it is highly questionable whether the RCMP is capable of correcting itself.

Other police forces don't come to the defense of the RCMP much, because the RCMP doesn't cooperate with other police forces much. That refusal to cooperate allowed Willie Pickton et al to murder Indigenous women for over 20 years: The RCMP never followed up on VPD reports of women missing from Vancouver who ended up on Pickton's farm in RCMP territory.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/robert-pickton-case-torments-former-detective-lori-shenher-1.3223349

Meanwhile the debate goes on at high levels:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/senator-rcmp-commissioner-resign-1.5612939

« Last Edit: June 16, 2020, 08:46:49 am by Granny »

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Re: RCMP
« Reply #80 on: June 16, 2020, 09:19:02 am »
The RCMP was created to control Indigenous people. Can that relationship be reset?

http://globalnews.ca/news/5381480/rcmp-indigenous-relationship/

Former RCMP officer Marge Hudson:
“It’s been going on forever and it’s going to continue going on forever because, quite frankly, they don’t really care,” she says. She laughs to herself whenever she sees an official in red serge appear on national news, profusely apologetic and promising to do better.

“OK,” she says, “but that doesn’t make sense. Just go out and do it.”

Can they? It’s a simple question with a complicated answer.

As Jocelyn Thorpe, a history and women and gender studies professor at the University of Manitoba, explains, the Mounties were created for a specific purpose: to assert sovereignty over Indigenous people and their lands.

“But if the whole system is based on this idea that some people matter more than others, there’s only so much that can be done.”




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Re: RCMP
« Reply #81 on: June 16, 2020, 04:31:37 pm »
The truck-bed obscures the view in the video somewhat at this point, but it looks like the cop starts twisting his wife’s arm and pushes her against the vehicle. Adam jumps out and steps between the two and assumes a fighting stance.[/i]

That was the 2nd time he did the fighting stance.  The first time was here before the cops touched anyone:



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Then the other cops arrive and Adam is violently attacked.
Cop does the usual routine that cops do now that cameras are on them, of repeatedly yelling "Don't resist!" to someone who is not resisting, while cop brutally assaults him.


You realize Sometimes people do resist arrest.  When the cop grabs the chief's arm to put it behind his back the chief says something like "don't f*cking grab me" and pulls his arm up sharply away from the cop.  Then he's tackled by the 2nd cop.  It's really hard to see what's going on the ground before he's punched

I think they ran the chief's plates to get the expired plate back and then gave him a ticket.  The question is why did they run his plates in the first place?  It could be harrassment.  It could be due dilligence?  In the USA a cop can't run someone's plates unless they see the person committing a traffic violation/crime.  In Canada it may be different.  In the US a cop can't pull anyone over unless they do something illegal, in Canada cops can pull people over just to check if they have valid insurance etc.

I'd like to hear the context of everything, and why the chief is so upset.  Seems like the RCMP may have been harassing him if he's reacting to a expired plate ticket with that much anger.
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Re: RCMP
« Reply #82 on: June 16, 2020, 07:18:06 pm »
The RCMP was conceived as an agent of government genocide against Indigenous people
The RCMP was created to control Indigenous people.
the Mounties were created for a specific purpose: to assert sovereignty over Indigenous people and their lands.
/agenda driven revisionism



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« Reply #83 on: June 21, 2020, 08:03:41 am »
True.

The biggest thing the chief did wrong was threaten the cop and go into the karate stance.  This happened before the cop touched anyone.  He could get charged for that, but with this media uproar maybe they'll let it slide.
That's a defensive stance, not aggression.
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You could be right, who knows, we need more context.  I'd love to know more details on why the chief was so upset over a sticker for an expired plate.  He said the RCMP had been harassing him previously.  I'd like to hear more details about that.  Maybe they do have it out for the chief.  I know if cops were following me and nabbing me for tickets all the time I'd be PO'd too.  But at the same time, if he did have expired plates and that's on the chief, i don't see that as harassment unless they've been purposefully following this guy around town, which is possible.  Granny, you're making a lot of assumptions that could be true but aren't proven.

Regardless, an expired plate sticker deserves a ticket, not arrest. The Chief's anger and yelling at the officer is not grounds for arrest, and it certainly is not grounds for the cop to put his hands on the Chief's wife who was the driver.

Nothing justifies the brutal beating and chokehold.

This is a classic example of what RCMP inflict on Indigenous people all the time.
The only difference is that Chief Allan Adam is speaking up, refusing to tolerate the racist harassment that the RCMP call 'policing'.

The RCMP have too many officers if they have time to indulge in such brutality.

Defunding the RCMP is definitely a viable option.

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« Reply #84 on: June 21, 2020, 04:04:12 pm »
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Regardless, an expired plate sticker deserves a ticket, not arrest.

Unless they refuse to get out or give up the car to have it towed.   Then the cops have to start hauling people out of the car.   

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« Reply #85 on: June 22, 2020, 09:31:39 am »
Unless they refuse to get out or give up the car to have it towed.   Then the cops have to start hauling people out of the car.

That's excessive for an out of date plate sticker.
Clearly it wasn't about the plate sticker.
It was just a classic RCMP setup opportunity to brutally beat an Indigenous person.
So typical.



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« Reply #86 on: June 22, 2020, 11:13:07 am »
That's excessive for an out of date plate sticker.

So you think people should be allowed to drive away an uninsured car?

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« Reply #87 on: June 22, 2020, 12:35:41 pm »
So you think people should be allowed to drive away an uninsured car?

I got a ticket for that once. Just a ticket.

Are you justifying RCMP beating Chief Adam up?

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« Reply #88 on: June 22, 2020, 12:49:31 pm »
I got a ticket for that once. Just a ticket.

Are you justifying RCMP beating Chief Adam up?

Did you have insurance? You will get a ticket if you have insurance but just neglected to put your on new sticker. No insurance means no drive where I live and you can't get a sticker without having insurance.
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« Reply #89 on: June 22, 2020, 03:24:45 pm »
Did you have insurance? You will get a ticket if you have insurance but just neglected to put your on new sticker. No insurance means no drive where I live and you can't get a sticker without having insurance.

Are you justifying beating Chief Adam?