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« Reply #60 on: June 14, 2020, 03:20:59 pm »
The 'one bad apple' bullshit again. There are a lot of bad cops. That's reality.

There is more than one bad apple but saying there are a lot of bad cops tars them all with the same brush and that's bullshit.

There has only been one officer involved shooting in my town in the 31 years I have live here and that was when one of our officers was gunned down in a parking lot two years ago. The police shot his killer but he survived and was convicted of first degree murder.
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« Reply #61 on: June 14, 2020, 03:52:25 pm »
There is more than one bad apple but saying there are a lot of bad cops tars them all with the same brush and that's bullshit.

Their training is crap. It teaches them to be suspicious of the populace, and view them all as suspects. People who crave power are drawn to the job, making it worse.
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« Reply #62 on: June 14, 2020, 04:10:31 pm »
Their training is crap. It teaches them to be suspicious of the populace, and view them all as suspects. People who crave power are drawn to the job, making it worse.

What do you know about their training or how they are selected because you don't come across as knowing very much.
Personally, I don't know much about how the RCMP selects or trains but I know quite a bit about how BC municipal forces are selected and trained.
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« Reply #63 on: June 14, 2020, 04:35:22 pm »
There is more than one bad apple but saying there are a lot of bad cops tars them all with the same brush and that's bullshit.

There are cops who are better than others, but there's no "good" cops, because it's an institution that is corrupt to its very core in every city.  When bad cops do bad things and good cops see it and do nothing about it, that makes them bad cops too.  The problem is if they report someone they are blackballed within the department.  Cops protect each other, its a brotherhood.  Cops are paid to catch criminals, but when one of their own is a criminal they turn the other cheek.  Therefore, NONE OF THEM are doing their job properly.

The only good cops are the ones that resign or are forced out because they have integrity.
I can tell how good of a person you are by how you treat the people you disagree with.
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« Reply #64 on: June 14, 2020, 04:42:53 pm »
There are cops who are better than others, but there's no "good" cops, because it's an institution that is corrupt to its very core in every city.  When bad cops do bad things and good cops see it and do nothing about it, that makes them bad cops too.  The problem is if they report someone they are blackballed within the department.  Cops protect each other, its a brotherhood.  Cops are paid to catch criminals, but when one of their own is a criminal they turn the other cheek.  Therefore, NONE OF THEM are doing their job properly.

The only good cops are the ones that resign or are forced out because they have integrity.

That's just utter bullshit. Cops get fired regularly, you just don't hear about it.
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« Reply #65 on: June 14, 2020, 04:58:21 pm »
The 2nd cop came in too aggressive, but the chief 1. grabbed the 1st officer when he tried to put his wife in cuffs, 2. threatened the cop with some karate stance thing, twice, and 3. resisted arrested.
The chief broke 4 laws, the 1st cop showed extreme restraint as he waited for backup, and the 2nd cop (backup) acted a bit aggressively and arguably used too much force while the chief was resisting arrest after being warned.

almost all replays of the dashcam video only start with the 'take-down' by the 2nd arriving constable - an extended video replay offers missing... needed... perspective!

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« Reply #66 on: June 14, 2020, 05:41:54 pm »
almost all replays of the dashcam video only start with the 'take-down' by the 2nd arriving constable - an extended video replay offers missing... needed... perspective!

I've seen the whole video before.  What good reason did the chief have for any of his behaviour, a bunch of illegal behaviour mind you?  The "poor victim" of a chief broke the law 3 times in the video, not including the expired plates, which makes it a minimum of 4 times breaking the law in 1 encounter BEFORE the 2nd cop came in.
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« Reply #67 on: June 14, 2020, 05:44:58 pm »
I agree that the RCMP are pieces of crap.

The 2nd cop came in too aggressive, but the chief 1. grabbed the 1st officer when he tried to put his wife in cuffs, 2. threatened the cop with some karate stance thing, twice, and 3. resisted arrested.

Cops had no right to put their hands on either one of those people.

It's a plate sticker. It's a ticket.
Back off.
Write the ticket.
Stop intentionally escalating so you can beat up an Indian.
Racist fucks.
Pulled her out, knew he'd defend her.
So common, such usual practice.
Racist **** **** fucks.
Bullies looking for a fight.

The cops had no justifiable reason to touch those people at all, and every reason to de-escalate.
We PAY those **** **** **** morons, and they can't even write a ticket without beating on someone.

Not a white person though.
They're not that stupid.
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« Reply #68 on: June 14, 2020, 05:51:16 pm »
That's just utter bullshit. Cops get fired regularly, you just don't hear about it.

They usually only get fired when it goes public, they get fired when it's captured on video and people make a stink about it.  They get away with all sorts of terrible and illegal shit all the time and nothing is done.  Youtube has a zillion examples of it, and that's just the stuff caught on video by private citizens with a phone (but never made headline news).  The way to get fired is to make a chief look bad, most of the rest gets swept under the rug.

You can file a formal complaint against an officer but it usually ain't gonna do shit.  Police unions also have a lot of power.
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« Reply #69 on: June 14, 2020, 05:53:03 pm »
Cops had no right to put their hands on either one of those people.

the initial escalations didn't come from the RCMP constable. The women kept coming out of the truck... the woman driver even started to drive off. The 'chief' acts anything but... chiefly! Appears like he had a few pops in the casino - ya think!

Not a white person though. They're not that stupid.

ya ya, you're just pissed there's an extended video that calls into question the fabricated "saintly chief" portrayal being fronted

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« Reply #70 on: June 14, 2020, 05:59:51 pm »
I've seen the whole video before.  What good reason did the chief have for any of his behaviour, a bunch of illegal behaviour mind you?  The "poor victim" of a chief broke the law 3 times in the video, not including the expired plates, which makes it a minimum of 4 times breaking the law in 1 encounter BEFORE the 2nd cop came in.

The cop put his hands on his wife.
He had no justification for arresting her.
The Chief berated him as he deserved to be.

They had no justification for arresting him, and he knew it, and he would not tolerate it.
Charges "resisting arrest". Arrest for what? Dropped.
Assaulting an officer? No. The officer put his hands on first.

You should read the news, keep up.
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« Reply #71 on: June 14, 2020, 06:12:59 pm »
They usually only get fired when it goes public, they get fired when it's captured on video and people make a stink about it.  They get away with all sorts of terrible and illegal **** all the time and nothing is done.  Youtube has a zillion examples of it, and that's just the stuff caught on video by private citizens with a phone (but never made headline news).  The way to get fired is to make a chief look bad, most of the rest gets swept under the rug.

You can file a formal complaint against an officer but it usually ain't gonna do ****.  Police unions also have a lot of power.

Everybody has a camera these days. Police are running scared. And they should be. And they are getting fired too.

That's the culture they work in, sustained by the brass.


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« Reply #72 on: June 14, 2020, 06:22:01 pm »
The cops put their hands on his wife.
They had no justification for arresting her.
He berated them as they deserved to be.
They put their hands on him.
They had no justification for arresting him, and he knew it, and he would not tolerate it.
Charges "resisting arrest". Arrest for what? Dropped.
Assaulting an officer? No. The officer put his hands on first.

It depends on the reason why the cop was putting the wife in cuffs.  He may not have been arresting her, he may have been trying to detain her for some reason.  He may have been giving them lawful commands that they were not following.  I assume he probably told them to turn off the vehicle as is standard practice.  If you don't comply with lawful orders then it's the citizens escalating things, not the cops.  OR yes maybe the cop was doing something illegal.

The chief also had a history with the RCMP, he said ""Chief Adam f--king tells you, 'I'm tired of being harassed by the RCMP.'"

There's no point in commenting on the case until it gets to court and we find out all the details of what actually happened during the encounter, what was said etc.
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« Reply #73 on: June 14, 2020, 06:27:20 pm »
Of course that brings us to another problem. When the commanding officer reviewed the footage, he said it was fine. Whether or not it was technically fine isn't the point. Such a statement was tone deaf as ****.

The RCMP/NWMP was conceived as an agent of genocide.
To them, that's normal.
But it's not normal.

The Commissioner of the RCMP, Brenda Lucki, was called out as 'tone deaf' this week too. She did a 180 after she saw the video.

And even Lorne Gunter doesn't love it ...
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/gunter-the-unjustifiably-aggressive-takedown-of-chief-allan-adam
"Courtoreille manages to calm Adam down and diffuse the situation, which is when this first officer makes his one puzzling move: He seems to start arresting Courtoreille; grabs one of her arms and begins to twist it behind her back before letting her go.

Then the siren of another RCMP vehicle can be heard approaching and thatís when the whole incident goes wrong"

"But I cannot for the life of me see how Adamís actions, no matter how obnoxious, justify him being thrown to the ground and punched.

There was no weapon. No punches. He wasnít (at that point) resisting arrest or trying to flee. He was not being questioned about a violent crime Ė only expired licence plate tags."
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« Reply #74 on: June 14, 2020, 06:40:29 pm »
What do you know about their training or how they are selected because you don't come across as knowing very much.
Personally, I don't know much about how the RCMP selects or trains but I know quite a bit about how BC municipal forces are selected and trained.

Cop brother - he thinks all this shit is just fine.
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