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« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2019, 05:31:36 pm »
Newfoundland has a provincial police.
Royal Newfoundland Constabulary
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« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2019, 05:40:09 pm »
Newfoundland has a provincial police.
Royal Newfoundland Constabulary

That's true and they used to have to keep their firearms locked in the trunk of the cop car and had to ask permission to get them out. Lard tunderin Geezuz bye.

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« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2019, 05:57:05 pm »
Yep, OPP and QPP. I have had speeding tickets from both.

I only have had 2 speeding tickets in my life. One was a photo radar on the Autobahn, and the other was a municipal police force in Ontario which I successfully fought.

I also escaped one from the OPP on Manitoulin island many decades ago. The limit was 80 and I was just slightly above it, but someone passed me and I decided to follow behind them. Miles later as they crested a hill, I saw the break lights go on so I slowed down. By the time I got to the top of the hill the cop was in the middle of the road flagging the other guy over, and stayed there. I kept going and he just looked at me, perhaps hoping I would volunteer to pull over. I just slowly drove past him.

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« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2019, 08:47:39 pm »
I only have had 2 speeding tickets in my life. One was a photo radar on the Autobahn, and the other was a municipal police force in Ontario which I successfully fought.

I also escaped one from the OPP on Manitoulin island many decades ago. The limit was 80 and I was just slightly above it, but someone passed me and I decided to follow behind them. Miles later as they crested a hill, I saw the break lights go on so I slowed down. By the time I got to the top of the hill the cop was in the middle of the road flagging the other guy over, and stayed there. I kept going and he just looked at me, perhaps hoping I would volunteer to pull over. I just slowly drove past him.

I think there are still those who believer there is no speed limit on the Autobahn. Having driven it both ways from Frankfurt to Wilhelmsaven I know otherwise. However on my trips everybody seemed to ignore that limit. I just went with the flow so I guess I lucked out.

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« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2019, 10:21:05 pm »
I think there are still those who believer there is no speed limit on the Autobahn. Having driven it both ways from Frankfurt to Wilhelmsaven I know otherwise. However on my trips everybody seemed to ignore that limit. I just went with the flow so I guess I lucked out.

Some sections don't have limits but others do.
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« Reply #35 on: September 04, 2019, 10:51:56 pm »
Some sections don't have limits but others do.

I couldn't convince that Mercedes to slow down no matter what I said.

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« Reply #36 on: September 05, 2019, 03:43:13 am »
I believe only Ontario and Quebec have provincial police forces. Most larger cities across the country however have municipal police forces.  You obviously are not a fan of Canadian television like the Beachcombers, Corner Gas, North of 60, etc.; the RCMP are well represented.

Why don't the western provinces have their own provincial police forces?
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« Reply #37 on: September 05, 2019, 08:38:04 am »
Why don't the western provinces have their own provincial police forces?

Population, perhaps?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_provinces_and_territories_by_population_growth_rate

And historical establishment of the RCMP across the country.

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« Reply #38 on: September 05, 2019, 09:20:30 am »
Newfoundland has a provincial police. Royal Newfoundland Constabulary

which only does policing for the larger population centers... leaving the lesser pop {rural} areas to the RCMP

Why don't the western provinces have their own provincial police forces?

as well as Atlantic provinces (save the partial policing done within Nfld-Lab)... to a degree, federal transfer payments help offset contractual arrangements made with the RCMP. The RCMP is a lower cost than provincial/local police forces, in part due to the traditionally lower wages paid by the RCMP to its members - those overall lower costs results in significant tax savings for citizens policed by the RCMP. Studies show the 'downside' is a resultant higher case load for the RCMP, with a lower closure rate.

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« Reply #39 on: September 05, 2019, 10:15:57 am »
which only does policing for the larger population centers... leaving the lesser pop {rural} areas to the RCMP

as well as Atlantic provinces (save the partial policing done within Nfld-Lab)... to a degree, federal transfer payments help offset contractual arrangements made with the RCMP. The RCMP is a lower cost than provincial/local police forces, in part due to the traditionally lower wages paid by the RCMP to its members - those overall lower costs results in significant tax savings for citizens policed by the RCMP. Studies show the 'downside' is a resultant higher case load for the RCMP, with a lower closure rate.

The RCMP get lower wages compared to local police in those provinces? Wow. That surprises me. Maybe that is part of the problem?

May I assume, from what you have told me, that the voters of the western provinces are more fiscally conservative types than their counterparts in Ontario, Quebec and Newfoundland? Because that, to me, would certainly explain it. (But I don't live in Canada so I could likely be wrong about that.)
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« Reply #40 on: September 05, 2019, 11:52:31 am »
Population, perhaps?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_provinces_and_territories_by_population_growth_rate

And historical establishment of the RCMP across the country.

Yes, I understand it was originally the Northwest Mounted Police, for the "territory" west of Ontario...or west of something...I learned that watching "Murdoch Mysteries" (lol)
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« Reply #41 on: September 05, 2019, 12:34:37 pm »
The RCMP get lower wages compared to local police in those provinces? Wow. That surprises me. Maybe that is part of the problem?

May I assume, from what you have told me, that the voters of the western provinces are more fiscally conservative types than their counterparts in Ontario, Quebec and Newfoundland? Because that, to me, would certainly explain it. (But I don't live in Canada so I could likely be wrong about that.)

That may improve now that the RCMP will have a union.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/national-police-federation-union-rcmp-mounties-1.5210796

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« Reply #42 on: September 17, 2019, 10:30:45 am »
Well, what to say ... we have a spy within the RCMP at a very high level, giving away secrets of Canada and our '5 eyes' allies.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ortis-cse-csis-documents-devistating-1.5285970
(and a spelling mistake in the cbc link. Lol)
And ... how the Mounties found out from the US that they had a spy in their midst:
https://globalnews.ca/video/rd/668bfd78-d8e2-11e9-aced-0242ac110005/?jwsource=cl

The RCMP have proven particularly incompetent at dealing with any real national security issues, and unethical and illegal behaviour, eg blowing things up and blaming environmentalists=entrapment+arson in dealing with internal constitutionally protected dissent (eg, environmentalists, Indigenous) in the past, and still:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCMP_Security_Service
As a result of illegal tactics used by the Security Service and consequent scandals surrounding the RCMP, intelligence work was transferred to a new agency, CSIS, in 1984. The RCMP has again become involved in intelligence work, however, particularly related to terrorism following the bombing of Air India Flight 182 in 1985 and the 9/11 attacks.

What the heck is wrong with the RCMP?

Entitled, secretive police who treat people's constitutional rights as crimes, masters at entrapment and other illegal tactics, so  chronically covering up each other's bad behaviour to the point that a spy can operate for a long time in their midst undetected.

The most unaccountable police force in the country, and that's a very serious problem.

And Trudeau's to deal with ... during an election campaign.
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« Reply #43 on: September 17, 2019, 11:48:50 am »
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blowing things up and blaming environmentalists

Where and when did the RCMP do this?

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« Reply #44 on: September 17, 2019, 12:11:21 pm »
Where and when did the RCMP do this?

It's quite a list of exposed illegal tactics by the RCMP, ... but the one I referenced is this:

RCMP bombing in Alberta, scapegoating farmer   

The RCMP bombed an oilsite in Alberta on October 14, 1999, on the instructions of the Alberta Energy Co. No injuries were caused or intended. The Crown lawyers, representing the government, accepted that the allegations were true. An Alberta farmer was blamed for the bombing.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversies_involving_the_Royal_Canadian_Mounted_Police

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/rcmp-bombed-oil-site-in-dirty-tricks-campaign-1.188599


The RCMP doesn't uphold people's Constitutional right to dissent. They entrap to criminalize and squash dissent against corporations.
The RCMP work for industry and their boughtandpaidfor politicians, not for Canadians.

And at least one - Director of Intelligence  also sells our secrets.
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