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Offline ?Impact

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« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2019, 02:40:44 pm »
The RCMP needs to respond. On the other hand, if particular individuals or groups present a genuine security threat to a company, that company deserves to know about it, just as an individual would.


Agreed, and what I put in bold face is of critical importance and very likely what concerns people.
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« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2019, 03:45:50 pm »
We would have to see the report to know that, wouldn't we?

Yes we would, thatís why I said they need to address it. Until then you are free to make whatever assumptions you want, justified or not.
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« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2019, 11:29:28 pm »
hey now! What's the first-rule of Fight Club?

Stick to the facts?

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« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2019, 12:02:47 am »

Agreed, and what I put in bold face is of critical importance and very likely what concerns people.

What "genuine security threat"?
There is no "genuine security threat".
There is perhaps a threat to exports for profit, if those opposed can turn the tide ... and they did.
Oh well.
That's just freedom and democracy.
Something the RCMP aren't too comfortable with.

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« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2019, 12:06:54 am »
Stick to the facts?

no - the first (most obvious) rule is you {the RCMP} don't talk about possible threats to National Security. Sumthin bout giving away the investigation farm!  ;D

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« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2019, 12:12:31 am »
There is no "genuine security threat".

citation request

{given how you've significantly wigged out against the RCMP in regards MMIW, the waldo suggests you should recuse yourself from this separate issue and related discussion - clearly, you're not thinking rationally and your bias is running rampant}

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« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2019, 02:34:30 am »
no - the first (most obvious) rule is you {the RCMP} don't talk about possible threats to National Security. Sumthin bout giving away the investigation farm!  ;D

Pipelines for fossil fuel export for private profit are NOT a matter of National Security, and no one has ever said they were.

We'll see what flimsy excuses the RCMP come up with for withholding the report and their response from the public.
But I'll bet it won't be "National Security".

They made a big deal about surveilling a so-called Indigenous "extremist" - ie, a member of the Indigenous Environmental Network, for cripes sake! 
Get a friggin life, RCMP!! Stop chasing 'Indians'!  Start upholding Constitutional Aboriginal rights: That's your job!

Face it waldo: RCMP are not responding to the report ... because they are going to look like idiots.
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« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2019, 10:38:08 am »
Pipelines for fossil fuel export for private profit are NOT a matter of National Security, and no one has ever said they were.

you are so obviously out of your depth (which is quite shallow to begin with) here! Critical infrastructure has been a national security priority since the Second World War... and starting in the 70s, an energy crisis and terrorist attacks on energy related targets refocused critical infrastructure security on threats from within national borders. Accordingly, world state governments have today tasked themselves with protecting (largely privately owned) energy infrastructure against threats from resident people and groups - how could they not?

perhaps you should acquaint yourself with the National Energy Board responsibilities and, in particular, how it shapes regulatory aspects... and most pointedly as reflects upon TMX, you may want to ask yourself why the U.S. insisted on a sign-off to the recent TMX purchase agreement - one based on grounds related to {their} national security concerns/interest - hey!

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« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2019, 04:48:55 pm »
What "genuine security threat"?
There is no "genuine security threat".
There is perhaps a threat to exports for profit, of protesters can turn the tide ... and they did.
Oh well.
That's just freedom and democracy.
Something the RCMP aren't too comfortable with.



This is why the RCMP need to address this. Until they do, people will just run wild with whatever assumptions they feel like.
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« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2019, 07:01:57 am »
you are so obviously out of your depth (which is quite shallow to begin with) here!
Your strategy of starting out with personal insults betrays your lack of confidence in your responses.

 
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Critical infrastructure has been a national security priority since the Second World War... and starting in the 70s, an energy crisis and terrorist attacks on energy related targets refocused critical infrastructure security on threats from within national borders. Accordingly, world state governments have today tasked themselves with protecting (largely privately owned) energy infrastructure against threats from resident people and groups - how could they not?

perhaps you should acquaint yourself with the National Energy Board responsibilities and, in particular, how it shapes regulatory aspects... and most pointedly as reflects upon TMX, you may want to ask yourself why the U.S. insisted on a sign-off to the recent TMX purchase agreement - one based on grounds related to {their} national security concerns/interest - hey!

1)Profits of foreign corporations, exports to other countries, are not a National Security issue for Canadians, and nobody has ever said they were. Nobody, in particular Trudeau, will ever support the RCMP in using that justification. He'd be hooted off the stage, because pipelines are widely seen as the biggest threat to our future security, even by Trudeau's supporters.
2) If the RCMP are now just acting as security guards for the profits of corporations ...
EG, here ...
https://www.halifaxexaminer.ca/province-house/roughed-up-by-the-rcmp-john-perkins-sues-atlantic-gold-and-the-cops/
And here ...
https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/risk-assessment-wetsuweten-unistoten-camp-1.4975744

 ... then perhaps we, who currently pay their salaries while protesting their invasive and unjust actions that violate our Constitutional rights,  need to rethink the 'national' status of the RCMP and downgrade them to a more appropriate status as private-for-hire-corporate-security guards.
If the RCMP are 'workin for the man' forcing politically unwelcome corporate developments on communities, instead of respecting and enforcing the Constitutional and democratic rights of Canadians to oppose developments in their communities, then the RCMP are not operating as a 'national' police force.

It's important to always keep in mind that government cannot direct the operations of police because politicians can't turn the police against the people to suppress dissent in order to  further their own partisan interests.
That is a perversion and destruction of democracy.




 

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« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2019, 09:11:48 am »
Your strategy of starting out with personal insults betrays your lack of confidence in your responses.

says you... the QueenOfInsultGiving. Your perceived insult wasn't "strategic"; it was strictly responsive and in kind!

1)Profits of foreign corporations, exports to other countries, are not a National Security issue for Canadians, and nobody has ever said they were. Nobody, in particular Trudeau, will ever support the RCMP in using that justification. He'd be hooted off the stage, because pipelines are widely seen as the biggest threat to our future security, even by Trudeau's supporters.

how dismissive you are of government royalties and taxation revenues... and something about societal dependencies... about supporting government services, social programs, provincial transfers, etc.. Geezaz, just look what happens when refineries go off-line for extended operational maintenance. None of this is partisan politics as much as you're trying to make it so.

... then perhaps we, who currently pay their salaries while protesting their invasive and unjust actions that violate our Constitutional rights,  need to rethink the 'national' status of the RCMP and downgrade them to a more appropriate status as private-for-hire-corporate-security guards. If the RCMP are 'workin for the man' forcing politically unwelcome corporate developments on communities, instead of respecting and enforcing the Constitutional and democratic rights of Canadians to oppose developments in their communities, then the RCMP are not operating as a 'national' police force.

It's important to always keep in mind that government cannot direct the operations of police because politicians can't turn the police against the people to suppress dissent in order to  further their own partisan interests. That is a perversion and destruction of democracy.

perhaps acquaint yourself with what civilian agencies can and can't do... and how police, through lawful means, extend upon those civilian "can't do" aspects.
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« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2019, 10:37:28 am »
It seems from the Wikipedia article, that the RCMP is not unlike a combination (in American terms) of the FBI, the Secret Service and some state police forces? I was surprised to read that they have policing power in eight of Canada's ten provinces. Aren't there provincial police in those provinces?
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« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2019, 11:05:43 am »
None of the western provinces have provincial police forces.
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« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2019, 04:49:17 pm »
Aren't there provincial police in those provinces?

I believe only Ontario and Quebec have provincial police forces. Most larger cities across the country however have municipal police forces.  You obviously are not a fan of Canadian television like the Beachcombers, Corner Gas, North of 60, etc.; the RCMP are well represented.
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« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2019, 05:30:20 pm »
I believe only Ontario and Quebec have provincial police forces. Most larger cities across the country however have municipal police forces.  You obviously are not a fan of Canadian television like the Beachcombers, Corner Gas, North of 60, etc.; the RCMP are well represented.

Yep, OPP and QPP. I have had speeding tickets from both.