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Offline wilber

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Re: VPD Officers found to be Racist
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2022, 03:47:24 pm »
Except the part where I did talk about the bank. You're pretty predictable at making false claims.

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The bank employee called 9-11 but lol at the idea that this is a reasonable thing to do to an old man and a 12 year old girl:
only in response to my post about you not wanting to mention the bank. You had to be pushed into that and you never could bring yourself to use the word racism regarding the bank's actions. You are just so predictable.
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Re: VPD Officers found to be Racist
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2022, 04:14:47 pm »
Handcuffing isn’t arresting.  It’s not force.  It’s actually used to protect the safety of the officer and the person detained.  But you’re a sh*t lib police bigot, that doesn’t know f*^k all about policing.

We're not talking about some hypothetical scenario we're talking about a specific case in which two people were wrongfully arrested you dullard.
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Re: VPD Officers found to be Racist
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2022, 04:16:08 pm »
You posted this  only in response to my post about you not wanting to mention the bank. You had to be pushed into that and you never could bring yourself to use the word racism regarding the bank's actions. You are just so predictable.

Again, you tedious old fart:

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And in case you're wondering why I'd focus on the cops instead of the bank employee (who is also racist) it's because cops are public servants and bank employees are not.

I wonder why you're so eager to downplay the role that racism might have played in the cops' treatment of these folks.
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Re: VPD Officers found to be Racist
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2022, 04:36:44 pm »
For the dullard who thinks arresting and handcuffing an old man and a 12 year old girl were reasonable actions, here's a few more excerpts from the disciplinary proceeding decision.

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What followed thereafter was a disturbing and profoundly disrespectful series of events affecting both Mr. Johnson and his granddaughter. In the result, shortly after noon that day, both Mr. Johnson and his granddaughter found themselves escorted out of the Bank without explanation by two Vancouver Police Officers, Cst. W and Cst. T. On exiting the Bank to the busy sidewalk and December weather, both parties were immediately arrested and handcuffed by the two officers.
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Having considered all of the circumstances set out in the investigation report, the evidence of witnesses and submissions advanced, I have found that both Cst. W and Cst.T acted oppressively in their dealings with Mr. Johnson and his granddaughter. Specifically, I have found that the officers’ actions in arresting and handcuffing the parties was undertaken without reasonable and probable grounds. I have found that no reasonable police officer standing in the shoes of the two officers could support such actions based on suspicion alone. Furthermore, I have found that such actions demonstrated serious, blameworthy conduct contrary to section 77 of the Police Act. As such I have substantiated two allegations of misconduct against both officers;

(i) Recklessly arresting Mr. Johnson and his granddaughter without good and sufficient cause; and
(ii)Recklessly using unnecessary force on Mr. Johnson and his granddaughter by applying handcuffs to the parties on arrest without good and sufficient cause.
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Re: VPD Officers found to be Racist
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2022, 05:18:47 pm »
Just where is that, as you say, "racist finding"... to be found?

Any idea why they'd arrest and cuff an old man and a 12 year old girl for doing nothing?
I wonder why you're so eager to downplay the role that racism might have played in the cops' treatment of these folks.

again, the OP specifically states a finding of racism... and the waldo repeats, where is that finding found? Are you suggesting the substantiated misconduct allegations equate to systemic racism... or even racism localized to this specific event? The waldo notes that the VPD has subsequently introduced a 'new handcuff policy'... one that is said to emphasize officers' discretion on when to use handcuffs, considering age, Indigeneity, race, ability
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Re: VPD Officers found to be Racist
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2022, 06:13:54 pm »
Again, you tedious old fart:

I wonder why you're so eager to downplay the role that racism might have played in the cops' treatment of these folks.

I'm not downplaying anything the police did, their failure to show in Bella Coola looks really bad on the VPD. Your absolute reluctance to include the banks behaviour is hilarious but totally predictable.
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Re: VPD Officers found to be Racist
« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2022, 06:54:30 pm »
oh my! C'mon squiggy, clean-up in aisle 8! Just where is that, as you say, "racist finding"... to be found?

Durrr….  I don’t know….   Maybe in the settlement? 

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As part of the agreement, the Vancouver Police Board admitted the conduct of officers discriminated against Johnson and his granddaughter based on their Indigenous identities.
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/indigenous-man-granddaughter-who-were-wrongly-handcuffed-reach-settlement-with-vancouver-police-1.6087490

Is Walduh going to double-down and tell us that the VPD admitting to discrimination because they were indigenous is not racism?   
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Re: VPD Officers found to be Racist
« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2022, 06:54:52 pm »
I'm not downplaying anything the police did, their failure to show in Bella Coola looks really bad on the VPD. Your absolute reluctance to include the banks behaviour is hilarious but totally predictable.

Cry about it some more old man.
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Re: VPD Officers found to be Racist
« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2022, 07:56:45 pm »
Durrr….  I don’t know….   Maybe in the settlement? 

Is waldo going to double-down and tell us that the VPD admitting to discrimination because they were indigenous is not racism?

let's recap: you got the police force wrong to begin with... and your thread title was not supported by the initial reference link you provided. And now, after a re-do of your OP, you double-down by wrongly referencing the VancouverPoliceDepartment instead of the civilian VancouverPoliceBoard - so emboldened you are squiggy - so emboldened!

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Brian Neal, a retired provincial court judge appointed to the case by the Office of the Police Complaint Commissioner, found the officers each committed two counts of abuse of authority by "recklessly arresting the complainants and by using unnecessary force by applying handcuffs."

from the report prepared by Neal:
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As such I have substantiated two allegations of misconduct against both officers;
(i) Recklessly arresting Mr. Johnson and his granddaughter without good and sufficient
cause; and
(ii) Recklessly using unnecessary force on Mr. Johnson and his granddaughter by
applying handcuffs to the parties on arrest without good and sufficient cause.

in the Neal report, the waldo reads no finding of racism (systemic or localized to the event in question) and no finding that the VPD officers were racist in their actions.
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Re: VPD Officers found to be Racist
« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2022, 08:04:08 pm »
Cry about it some more old man.

Pathetic.
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Re: VPD Officers found to be Racist
« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2022, 08:08:25 pm »
I find it interesting that the VPD chief was there. Makes me wonder what kind of politics are going on behind the scene. Dept vis union. Board vis dept and union. Board and dept vs union. Officer's lawyers. Regardless if one thinks the officers behaviour was racist or not, this is not a good look for the VPD.
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« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2022, 08:16:17 pm »
Pathetic.

Not nearly as pathetic as your pedantic bootlicking and pretending the bank employee’s racism excuses that if the cops (see your comments about the cops being non white and the concern over how it “looks” versus anything systematic.)

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« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2022, 08:30:10 pm »
Not nearly as pathetic as your pedantic bootlicking and pretending the bank employee’s racism excuses that if the cops (see your comments about the cops being non white and the concern over how it “looks” versus anything systematic.)

The difference between you and me is that I can be critical of police whereas you can't be anything but. That is why any discourse between us on the subject is a waste of time. I forgot that for a moment.
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Re: VPD Officers found to be Racist
« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2022, 08:36:11 pm »
Not nearly as pathetic as your pedantic bootlicking and pretending the bank employee’s racism excuses that if the cops (see your comments about the cops being non white and the concern over how it “looks” versus anything systematic.)

The bank called the police because they thought the pair were trying to commit fraud. You can't even bring yourself to accept that, it's only police behaviour that was racist. You really, are pathetic.
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Re: VPD Officers found to be Racist
« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2022, 08:50:18 pm »
Walduh doubles down….   Subjecting someone to mistreatment because they’re indigenous is not racist….  LOL
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