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Re: Rampage murder in NS - at least 16 dead
« Reply #45 on: June 09, 2020, 01:18:29 am »
And yet they've fully co-opted the Nova Scotia murder spree to sell their initiative to the public. "See? This is why we have to act now!"  Never let a tragedy go to waste.

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« Reply #46 on: June 09, 2020, 01:23:11 am »
...the last bit of phony pretense that the OIC has anything to do with Wortman's rampage will have completely evaporated.

no - the phony pretense is yours! The ban intent has been Liberal Party policy within the platforms of the last 2 election campaigns...

no - your self-serving revisionism isn't factual: the regulations were always intended to be presented this session... late March. And then, you know, COVID-19 redirected the near entirety of the government's attention, particularly Public Safety Minister Blair's focus on border security and other pandemic related public safety concerns.

And yet they've fully co-opted the Nova Scotia murder spree to sell their initiative to the public. "See? This is why we have to act now!"  Never let a tragedy go to waste.

who is your "they've"? I expect you have ready examples of your described "they've" and your stated, "initiative selling" - yes?

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« Reply #47 on: June 09, 2020, 01:33:48 am »
no - the phony pretense is yours! The ban intent has been Liberal Party policy within the platforms of the last 2 election campaigns...


who is your "they've"? I expect you have ready examples of your described "they've" and your stated, "initiative selling" - yes?

Well, here's Bill Blair:

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Both Blair and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau referenced the Nova Scotia shootings in their remarks, with Blair saying it "deepened our resolve to move forward as quickly as possible" to introduce regulations.

Bill was also out quick to point out that two of the weapons Wortman used were covered by the OIC:

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"But I can tell you that every firearm begins legally and then moves into an illegal market," he said.

"And I can say with some confidence that the two long-guns that were involved in that investigation, without identifying them, are included on today's list."

So yes, they were certainly pimping the Nova Scotia murder spree to bolster their narrative.   

So how come Bill could tell us the same day of the OIC that two of Wortman's weapons were on the list, but over a month later they still can't tell us anything else? What are they hiding?

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edit to add link:  https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/ns-shooting-firearms-1.5552773
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« Reply #48 on: June 09, 2020, 02:56:36 am »
So yes, they were certainly pimping the Nova Scotia murder spree to bolster their narrative.   

So how come Bill could tell us the same day of the OIC that two of Wortman's weapons were on the list, but over a month later they still can't tell us anything else? What are they hiding?

only a gunner like you would call referencing Canada's deadliest gun shooting... "pimping it". Again, the ban intent has been prominent Liberal Party election campaign policy for the last 2 elections. Recent polls show an overwhelming percentage of those polled agree with the ban. You're on the losing side of this issue - get over it and just accept your eventual buyback monies.

your own linked article has Minister Blair deferring to the RCMP to provide additional details concerning the firearms the gunman used. To fit your narrative, can't you directly accuse the RCMP of... sumthin!

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« Reply #49 on: June 09, 2020, 09:17:34 am »
only a gunner like you would call referencing Canada's deadliest gun shooting... "pimping it". Again, the ban intent has been prominent Liberal Party election campaign policy for the last 2 elections. Recent polls show an overwhelming percentage of those polled agree with the ban. You're on the losing side of this issue - get over it and just accept your eventual buyback monies.

your own linked article has Minister Blair deferring to the RCMP to provide additional details concerning the firearms the gunman used. To fit your narrative, can't you directly accuse the RCMP of... sumthin!

The public is on the losing side because the RCMP is deliberately withholding information it is entitled to and Trudeau is using it as an excuse to make major changes in gun legislation through an order in council without providing the evidence to justify it. When has the RCMP ever  done this before and why would they do it? Blair deferring my ass. More of JTís vaunted transparency.
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« Reply #50 on: June 09, 2020, 10:36:26 am »
The public is on the losing side because the RCMP is deliberately withholding information it is entitled to ... When has the RCMP ever  done this before and why would they do it?

Are you REALLY saying that the RCMP has never withheld information from the public?
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« Reply #51 on: June 09, 2020, 11:06:09 am »
Are you REALLY saying that the RCMP has never withheld information from the public?
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Regarding the firearms or other weapons used in a crime. No, I don't recall them ever doing that.
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« Reply #52 on: June 21, 2020, 08:16:31 am »
Stranger still ...

https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/the-nova-scotia-shooter-case-has-hallmarks-of-an-undercover-operation/

The withdrawal of $475,000 in cash by the man who killed 22 Nova Scotians in April matches the method the RCMP uses to send money to confidential informants and agents, sources say.
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If Wortman was an RCMP informant or agent, it could explain why the force appeared not to take action on complaints about his illegal guns and his assault on his common-law wife.

READ MORE: The Nova Scotia killer had ties to criminals and withdrew a huge sum of cash before the shooting

A Mountie familiar with the techniques used by the force in undercover operations, but not with the details of the investigation into the shooting, says Wortman could not have collected his own money from Brinkís as a private citizen.

ďThereís no way a civilian can just make an arrangement like that,Ē he said in an interview.

He added that Wortmanís transaction is consistent with the Mountieís experience in how the RCMP pays its assets. ďIíve worked a number of CI cases over the years and thatís how things go. All the payments are made in cash. To me that transaction alone proves he has a secret relationship with the force.
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Re: Rampage murder in NS - at least 16 dead
« Reply #53 on: June 22, 2020, 09:23:08 pm »
They can't keep silent on this.  There are too many unanswered questions and it is undermining their credibility.

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« Reply #54 on: June 22, 2020, 10:02:04 pm »
They can't keep silent on this.  There are too many unanswered questions and it is undermining their credibility.

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Unfortunately there is no reason to take any answer from the RCMP on faith. Itís time for a full judicial inquiry.

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/time-for-real-answers-on-the-nova-scotia-mass-murder/
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« Reply #55 on: June 22, 2020, 11:26:10 pm »
So maybe those RCMP cruisers and uniforms he had weren't replicas.  Did a crappy job of hiding them though.

Would explain how this guy knew how to go full Rambo.  His rampage seemed like he knew well what he was doing.
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Re: Rampage murder in NS - at least 16 dead
« Reply #56 on: June 23, 2020, 09:21:56 am »
Strange but this could be addressed with a single comment from the RCMP.  Given how terrible they are at communicating, this could be just a coincidence, and a denial would be enough.  But ... we don't have that.

Also squid, lay off the 'DUMB' tagging, when the post isn't dumb...
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« Reply #57 on: June 23, 2020, 03:47:05 pm »
Strange but this could be addressed with a single comment from the RCMP.  Given how terrible they are at communicating, this could be just a coincidence, and a denial would be enough.  But ... we don't have that.

Also squid, lay off the 'DUMB' tagging, when the post isn't dumb...

To imply that maybe the RCMP gave their possible CI police uniforms and a replica car is **** idiotic...   but the dumb tag is the closest I could find....
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« Reply #58 on: June 23, 2020, 09:39:39 pm »
To imply that maybe the RCMP gave their possible CI police uniforms and a replica car is **** idiotic...   but the dumb tag is the closest I could find....

Historically the RCMP has been very protective of its copyrighted material.
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« Reply #59 on: July 26, 2020, 01:48:54 pm »
So 3 months later, they have announced that there will be a "review" into the incident, which is not a public inquiry.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53530262

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In a letter, lawyers representing family members in lawsuit against the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the gunman's estate called the review "wholly insufficient".

"(Government officials) have hidden behind their contrived notion of a 'trauma-free' process to exclude the full participation of the families under the guise of protecting them from further trauma. This is not how the families wish to be treated," the letter said.

Some of the main concerns raised are:

    * The panel will not be able to compel testimony or subpoena witnesses
    * Interested parties will not be able to cross-examine the witnesses
    * The review process will not be fully public: The findings will be made public after they have been presented to the provincial justice minister and the federal minister of public safety; an interim review will also be made available

This is not what transparency looks like.

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