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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #90 on: January 21, 2018, 02:51:14 pm »
Or you could just change the name of your pub.
Does that solve anything?
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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #91 on: February 19, 2018, 10:16:44 am »
This is an excellent summation of why the attempts to portray Sir John A Macdonald as someone who hated natives and who should no longer be recognized goes against historical fact.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/to-vilify-sir-john-a-macdonald-is-to-wrongly-seek-a-single-scapegoat-for-canadas-mistreatment-of-indigenous-people/article38017335/
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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #92 on: March 09, 2018, 05:27:57 pm »
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/01/09/kingston-pub-changes-name-to-remove-reference-to-sir-john-a-macdonald.html

Owner has just changed the name of the historic pub, a heritage site, due to protestors:

Sir John A wasn't perfect like any politician, far from it.  But he is our history, he was the leader in uniting Canada's separate provinces into one country immediately after the US Civil War in order to prevent America's remaining huge standing army from invading our provinces one by one (USA had annexed Texas from Mexico & fought a war over it with Mexico only 20 years earlier). 

Aboriginals have a right to be mad at an architect of a well-intentioned but ultimately cruel residential school system.  They should also be thankful to him because they'd be living under the rule of President Trump if not for him.  He is a mixed historical figure, but a part of our history and not to be forgotten, good and bad.  The pub owner is free to do as he wishes to the name of his pub, I just think it's ridiculous.  I've visited the pub before and won't be back.


Sir John A. McDonald was the 1st Prime Minister of Canada. Why would anyone like the pub owner want to change the name? I guess there is no doubt about it that this pub owner has fallen victim to political correctness. This is just more attacks on our British history and traditions and heritages. Welcome to the new Canada where our Canadian British past will soon be gone and to be replaced by the new world order program and agenda called multiculturalism. Shameful. 

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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #93 on: March 09, 2018, 05:38:27 pm »
well they just replaced Sir John on the $10 bill. 
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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #94 on: March 09, 2018, 05:56:03 pm »
well they just replaced Sir John on the $10 bill.

He won't care, and after the first tall latte I won't notice.

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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #95 on: March 10, 2018, 04:14:18 pm »
well they just replaced Sir John on the $10 bill.

Well whoptee thrill.  Another piece of good old Canada gone down the tube with more to come.

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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #96 on: March 10, 2018, 04:59:30 pm »
Getting rid of the penny was a loss of Canada, changing the design on a printed bill happens every few years.

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« Reply #97 on: March 11, 2018, 03:14:07 pm »
Getting rid of the penny was a loss of Canada, changing the design on a printed bill happens every few years.

Maybe Khadr will end up on the twenty dollar bill in another year?
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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #98 on: March 11, 2018, 03:19:06 pm »
Maybe Khadr will end up on the twenty dollar bill in another year?

Duh, make a stupid claim and expect it to carry weight.

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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #99 on: March 11, 2018, 03:34:38 pm »
Duh, make a stupid claim and expect it to carry weight.


This is Canada, don't you know. There has been plenty of stupid things that have been done in Canada past and present by our political leaders. Nothing surprises me anymore. I am surprised that an aboriginal didn't get the nod first.

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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #100 on: June 02, 2018, 08:57:31 pm »
well they just replaced Sir John on the $10 bill.
I can think of better things to be doing than trying to solve the problems of the past.
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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #101 on: November 10, 2018, 08:37:02 am »

Standing beside his minivan as Regina's afternoon traffic rushes past, David Garneau puts on an oversized three-piece suit that he spray-painted gold. Once dressed, he looks like a cross between a scarecrow and an Elvis impersonator.
Then he covers his head with a black hood and hangs a noose around his neck.
Moments later, Garneau walks off through the park to confront a statue of Sir John A. Macdonald — Canada's first Prime Minister.

Garneau, a Mιtis artist and professor at the University of Regina, says he dresses up as the ghost of Louis Riel — the Metis leader who founded Manitoba and clashed with Macdonald in the 1880s — because he sees the statue as a deliberate provocation.

"The provocation is to remind Indigenous people to shut up," Garneau says. "It says 'remember what happened to the last guy who stood up.' It is there to remind indigenous people in the Regina area about John A. and Louis Riel."


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sir-john-a-macdonald-history-controversy-1.4859448

You know what I'd say to this guy? I'd say that since Louis Riel felt it appropriate to execute Thomas Scott for defying the authority of the 'provisional government' and slandering him, should native activists be executed for slandering our government and defying its authority? Does he feel it was right and proper for Riel to execute a man for such things? Or was it okay because Riel was a brown guy and they should be allowed to do stuff like that since they're 'oppressed'? Because I believe in equal rights, so if native and metis activists venerate Riel and feel Riel did not wrong then any of them should feel it quite just to be executed for defying our government or slandering our political leaders.
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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #102 on: November 10, 2018, 08:52:12 am »
From the above article:

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Patrick Johnson, a musician from Vibank, Sask., faces a mischief charge for spraying red paint on the statue of Macdonald in Regina's Victoria Park. 

Johnson admitted he committed the act, but he refused to plead guilty because he doesn't believe what he did was wrong. "Maybe the question is, am I guilty of mischief or am I guilty of public education?," he says. "Is it vandalism or is it a political statement?"

While Johnson's case will be settled by a mediator, it isn't the first time he's vandalized the statue.  "I brought a sledgehammer, and I gave him three whacks on this side and three whacks on the other."

But to Johnson's amazement — and disappointment — nothing happened except the statue made a noise like a giant bell ringing.  "It was frustrating," he admits, "but it was also eye-opening that it would take more than me to change something, if you will. As if this were a metaphor for something else — one person couldn't do it by themselves."

Johnson explains that he's compelled to damage the statue because he doesn't like the way Indigenous people are treated today.

So certain protestors don't believe in lawful protest, going to your local politician etc or getting petitions to get a statue removed etc. but they feel themselves and themselves alone the arbiter of that decision to remove a statue & therefore don't believe in democracy.  These people should be punished as per the law for vandalism, if they want the statues removed they can do it the democratic way & using peaceful protest, which has worked elsewhere, and stop acting like children.
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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #103 on: November 10, 2018, 10:04:11 am »
From the above article:

So certain protestors don't believe in lawful protest, going to your local politician etc or getting petitions to get a statue removed etc. but they feel themselves and themselves alone the arbiter of that decision to remove a statue & therefore don't believe in democracy.  These people should be punished as per the law for vandalism, if they want the statues removed they can do it the democratic way & using peaceful protest, which has worked elsewhere, and stop acting like children.

Even that is acting like ignorant children. Judging our ancestors based on the morality of today is an intellectually and morally barren exercise. Had we lived in those days most of us would have had the same beliefs as our ancestors. Further, this judgement of our ancestors NEVER extends to judging other people's ancestors, or the context of the time in question. Thus Louis Riel is a wonderful, heroic figure, despite executing a guy who wouldn't respect him and his authority, but Sir John A is horrible for executing Louis Riel for murder. Hah?
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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #104 on: November 10, 2018, 10:54:05 am »
Even that is acting like ignorant children. Judging our ancestors based on the morality of today is an intellectually and morally barren exercise. Had we lived in those days most of us would have had the same beliefs as our ancestors. Further, this judgement of our ancestors NEVER extends to judging other people's ancestors, or the context of the time in question. 

Agreed, but you have also rightfully talked about the political realities here.  As such, an acknowledgment of native land heritage would be a nice compromise don't you think ?

Probably better than playing the national anthem.