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Offline wilber

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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #60 on: January 13, 2018, 04:13:32 pm »
For all his faults,  Macdonald did more to build the country as we now know it than any other person. If that isn’t enough to get your name on a bloody pub, I don’t know what is. Other countries would have cities, mountains and rivers named after someone like that regardless of their imperfections but not holier than thou Canadians. There are people beloved of these SJW’s who didn’t do a tenth of what he did to build the country where they are free to indulge in tearing apart those who did built it.
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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #61 on: January 13, 2018, 04:13:52 pm »
Quote from: SirJohn on January 13, 2018, 04:04:26 pm
No one is saying we should beat kids with canes today like we did back then, are they? It's a different society and our culture and values have progressed considerably. But back then it was acceptable. And so judging people by today's standards for simply behaving in keeping with THEIR society back then is hypocritical. If you were alive back then you'd be looking for a  few good slaves too, assuming you lived in the south and had money. Likewise if you were a rich merchant living on the North African coast you'd be eagerly looking to buy one of those white slaves taken off the American and western ships captured. You wouldn't think it was wrong because your society said it was fine and legal and normal.

I can only assume that if I was alive back then I would have the same character that I have now, and so things that seem wrong to me now would have seemed wrong then. However this is a hypothetical not worth wasting time on. I don't seek to go back in time to punish people for their transgressions then, I just want there to be a relevant awareness so we don't slip back into them. You yourself seem to have a problem with skin color so racism is still with us it seems.
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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #62 on: January 13, 2018, 04:16:42 pm »
Quote from: SirJohn on January 13, 2018, 04:12:29 pm
This is just dumb. Yes, people know its wrong to abuse animals, SO THEY DON'T. Aside from rare social defectives.
PETA is a collection of the lunatic fringe of the Left who have nothing useful to do with their lives.

Back then the natives weren't simply considered another race. They were considered barely human, savages, tree dwellers. Sir John's attempt to educate them and civilize them and spend government money doing it was probably considered somewhat enlightened.

So you have basically just confirmed the case that Sir John, that old one, was in fact a racist.
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Offline wilber

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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #63 on: January 13, 2018, 04:23:11 pm »
Quote from: Omni on January 13, 2018, 04:13:52 pm
I can only assume that if I was alive back then I would have the same character that I have now, and so things that seem wrong to me now would have seemed wrong then. However this is a hypothetical not worth wasting time on. I don't seek to go back in time to punish people for their transgressions then, I just want there to be a relevant awareness so we don't slip back into them. You yourself seem to have a problem with skin color so racism is still with us it seems.

Balls, you would be a product of your time, just as you are now.
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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #64 on: January 13, 2018, 04:24:26 pm »
Quote from: wilber on January 13, 2018, 04:23:11 pm
Balls, you would be a product of your time, just as you are now.

I guess we'll never know, so I'll just proceed with who I am now.
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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #65 on: January 13, 2018, 04:33:23 pm »
Quote from: Omni on January 13, 2018, 04:24:26 pm
I guess we'll never know, so I'll just proceed with who I am now.


Would you consider Laurier a man of character? Tell me, what did he do to change the residential school system?
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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #66 on: January 13, 2018, 04:43:51 pm »
Quote from: wilber on January 13, 2018, 04:33:23 pm

Would you consider Laurier a man of character? Tell me, what did he do to change the residential school system?

He was more concerned with making the country bilingual. N'est pas?
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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #67 on: January 13, 2018, 04:50:49 pm »
Quote from: BC_cheque on January 13, 2018, 04:06:52 pm
I agree and I think even then they knew it was wrong, they just didn't care.  It's the way we are presently with animals where most people know it's wrong to abuse animals, but it's the way it's always been so very little is done about it. 


You make the mistake of believing that because you have the benefit of over a century more of enlightenment and change bought about by the struggles of others, that you are somehow more moral than those who came before you. To me, that is just hubris.
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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #68 on: January 13, 2018, 04:57:40 pm »
Quote from: Omni on January 13, 2018, 04:13:52 pm
I can only assume that if I was alive back then I would have the same character that I have now, and so things that seem wrong to me now would have seemed wrong then. However this is a hypothetical not worth wasting time on. I don't seek to go back in time to punish people for their transgressions then, I just want there to be a relevant awareness so we don't slip back into them. You yourself seem to have a problem with skin color so racism is still with us it seems.

You might notice you and I don't get along. That's not because of my perception of your skin colour...
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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #69 on: January 13, 2018, 04:58:16 pm »
Quote from: Omni on January 13, 2018, 04:16:42 pm
So you have basically just confirmed the case that Sir John, that old one, was in fact a racist.

How many people in his time, here, or anywhere else in the world, were not racist by our current standards?
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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #70 on: January 13, 2018, 05:00:04 pm »
Quote from: Omni on January 13, 2018, 04:43:51 pm
He was more concerned with making the country bilingual. N'est pas?

And Macdonald was more concerned with making a country.
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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #71 on: January 13, 2018, 07:42:50 pm »
Quote from: SirJohn on January 13, 2018, 04:57:40 pm
I have a problem with idiots and losers, not skin colour. You might notice you and I don't get along. That's not because of my perception of your skin c.olour...

So do I. And I'm quite sure you are as white as a ghost "Idiots and losers" typical sirargus fallback when he's losing.
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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #72 on: January 13, 2018, 07:45:07 pm »
Quote from: Omni on January 13, 2018, 07:42:50 pm
So do I. And I'm quite sure you are as white as a ghost "Idiots and losers" typical sirargus fallback when he's losing.

And typical of snowflakes to insult people and then get self-righteous and snivel when they insult them back.
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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #73 on: January 13, 2018, 07:48:57 pm »
Quote from: SirJohn on January 13, 2018, 07:45:07 pm
And typical of snowflakes to insult people and then get self-righteous and snivel when they insult them back.

Aw we all know who starts the insults. Your reputation precedes itself.
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Re: Pub named after Sir John A changes its name
« Reply #74 on: January 13, 2018, 07:56:21 pm »
Quote from: Omni on January 13, 2018, 07:48:57 pm
Aw we all know who starts the insults. Your reputation precedes itself.

We all can look back up the page and see they started with you calling me a racist. My reputation is derived from outraged progressives angry that they can't actually contradict what I'm saying.
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