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Polygamy Culture
« on: July 24, 2017, 11:19:27 am »
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-polygamy-trial-1.4218735
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A British Columbia judge is expected to issue her verdict today for two former religious leaders accused of polygamy.

Winston Blackmore is alleged to have married 24 women in the practice of "celestial'' marriage, while the trial earlier this year heard that James Oler has five wives.

There appear to be three fronts of attacks on monogamous marriage, from my observation: Fundamentalist Christians, fundamentalist Muslims, and hipsters.  The article says the high court allows for the banning of polygamous marriage but should it ?

Do we care ?

Furthermore, if these aren't attempted 'legal' marriages then how are they different from secular relationships ?  The court should stay out of those IMO.

I couldn't see myself having more than one wife but I could be convinced to try it for a weekend or so...

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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2017, 12:40:22 pm »
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-polygamy-trial-1.4218735
There appear to be three fronts of attacks on monogamous marriage, from my observation: Fundamentalist Christians, fundamentalist Muslims, and hipsters.  The article says the high court allows for the banning of polygamous marriage but should it ?

Do we care ?

Furthermore, if these aren't attempted 'legal' marriages then how are they different from secular relationships ?  The court should stay out of those IMO.

I couldn't see myself having more than one wife but I could be convinced to try it for a weekend or so...

A friend who believes in and lives the polyamourous lifestyle provided evidence to the court on polyamory.   Initially, she felt that polygamy was not a lot different, but by the end of her role in this particular case she felt that the insertion of religious belief made the polygamy practiced by this group harmful to women.   

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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2017, 12:46:02 pm »
These women are brainwashed when they're little girls and given (sold?) to some old man who hears Jesus talking to him about how great he is. 

That's not consenting adults...   and it harms women to allow this practice to carry on.  Throw their religious leaders in jail and give these women the help they need.
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2017, 12:50:55 pm »
The thing is, it is difficult for courts to separate free choices from brainwashed choices.  The three examples I set out are different scenarios.

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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2017, 01:22:18 pm »
The thing is, it is difficult for courts to separate free choices from brainwashed choices.  The three examples I set out are different scenarios.

If they can't tell, and women are being harmed by the practice, then better to err on the side of safety.

Your hipster comment makes no sense.  Since when are they polygamous?

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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2017, 01:48:49 pm »
Many many of my hipster friends are poly, to one degree or other.

'Err on the side of safety' isn't a good legal axiom to follow.  If that were the case, many rights would be curtailed. ex. Drinking...

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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2017, 01:55:16 pm »
Many many of my hipster friends are poly, to one degree or other.

'Err on the side of safety' isn't a good legal axiom to follow.  If that were the case, many rights would be curtailed. ex. Drinking...

Are you confusing polyamory and polygamy?

I didn't say it was a legal axiom, but it's what we do...   rights are curtailed all the time in the interest of public safety.


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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2017, 02:18:42 pm »
These women are brainwashed when they're little girls and given (sold?) to some old man who hears Jesus talking to him about how great he is. 

That's not consenting adults...   and it harms women to allow this practice to carry on.  Throw their religious leaders in jail and give these women the help they need.

This is the same argument I use for why I think the niqab is not really based on free will of a consenting adult and should not be allowed in a free egalitarian society.

Having said that, I get it that it's a fine line.
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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2017, 02:22:03 pm »
The thing is, it is difficult for courts to separate free choices from brainwashed choices.  The three examples I set out are different scenarios.

Why do we respect Muslim women brainwashed choices?  Personally I think it's time to stop being respectful of people's religious beliefs and declare atheism the law of the land.

No niqabs no polygamy.
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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2017, 02:38:48 pm »
Why do we respect Muslim women brainwashed choices?  Personally I think it's time to stop being respectful of people's religious beliefs and declare atheism the law of the land.

No niqabs no polygamy.

We could quit paying welfare and other stuff to multiple wives.  That would be a good start. 
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« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2017, 03:12:39 pm »
We could quit paying welfare and other stuff to multiple wives.  That would be a good start.

So their kids suffer?   Yeah, that's brilliant.   ::)


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« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2017, 03:19:44 pm »
I take it you're FOR polygamy, then?

Or you're just okay with your tax dollars being spent so a man can have multiple wives/children, claim them all and sit back and watch the fat welfare cheques come in?
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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2017, 03:43:46 pm »
Why do we respect Muslim women brainwashed choices?  Personally I think it's time to stop being respectful of people's religious beliefs and declare atheism the law of the land.

No niqabs no polygamy.

A Canadian woman I know, who converted to Islam as an adult, subsequently chose to marry an Egyptian man, knowing he already had a wife.  (This is not my sister)  Islam requires that wives are treated equally (good in theory, laughable in practice), with separate houses, husbandly time and attentions, and equal financial arrangements.  I can't say this woman was brainwashed by Islam, but I think she let romance cloud her judgement and believed this man was able to do as promised and according to what she believed Islam mandated.  Perhaps needless to say, the relationship ended and she is back in Canada.  Still, women (and men) have made equally stupid decisions without any religion being involved so I fail to see how making religion illegal will really prevent people from being stupid. 

But I do hear you on the wish that religion becomes extinct somehow. 

(My sister, btw, had it wrotten into the marriage contract that she would be the only wife.)

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« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2017, 03:46:00 pm »
I take it you're FOR polygamy, then?

Or you're just okay with your tax dollars being spent so a man can have multiple wives/children, claim them all and sit back and watch the fat welfare cheques come in?

Of course, someone who doesn't want to see kids suffer supports polygamy and fraud.  Perfectly logical reasoning there.    ::)
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« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2017, 03:48:55 pm »
Of course, someone who doesn't want to see kids suffer supports polygamy and fraud.  Perfectly logical reasoning there.    ::)

Ya.  Almost as logical as inferring that I want children to suffer because I don't agree with paying out massive amounts of money for polygamists to have multiple families.

See how that works?
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