Author Topic: People’s Party of Canada launched  (Read 3887 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline Omni

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 8563
Re: People’s Party of Canada launched
« Reply #60 on: September 18, 2018, 11:19:50 am »
The Koreas are direct neighbours on the same peninsula.  The above have nothing in common to compare outcomes to.

I suggest the comparison is made to refute earlier comments as to how democratic countries always do so much better than communist ones.

Offline ?Impact

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2941
Re: People’s Party of Canada launched
« Reply #61 on: September 18, 2018, 11:45:39 am »
The Koreas are direct neighbours on the same peninsula.

With extreme intervention by very different outside forces, both now and historically.
Agree Agree x 1 View List

Offline Queefer Sutherland

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10186
Re: People’s Party of Canada launched
« Reply #62 on: September 18, 2018, 12:28:39 pm »
I'll say it again, this idea that millions were killed in the Gulags ignores the famine at the time that killed not only people in the Gulag, but millions of others NOT in the Gulags. Unless you think Stalin controls nature.....then sure....he directly killed millions.

One of the main factors for the famine was the terrible central government economic policies in food production: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%9333

Quote
The forced collectivization of agriculture as a part of the Soviet first five-year plan, forced grain procurement, combined with rapid industrialisation, a decreasing agricultural workforce, and several bad droughts, were the main reasons for the famine.
"Nipples is one of the great minds of our time!" - Bubbermiley

Offline cybercoma

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2956
Re: People’s Party of Canada launched
« Reply #63 on: September 18, 2018, 12:32:34 pm »
One of the main factors for the famine was the terrible central government economic policies in food production: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%9333
And what of the famines caused by capitalism? Do you follow them and criticize them so closely? Not in the slightest.
Agree Agree x 1 View List

Offline Queefer Sutherland

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10186
Re: People’s Party of Canada launched
« Reply #64 on: September 18, 2018, 01:00:59 pm »
And what of the famines caused by capitalism? Do you follow them and criticize them so closely? Not in the slightest.

What are these famines?  Let's say there are some even if I can't name any.  I'm not saying capitalism is perfect, or the distribution is ideal, but my original argument when someone asked me why I dislike communist economics was that centrally planned economies are inefficient & generally suck, especially compared to capitalist market economies.  No economist or scholar worth any salt would deny that.

If someone can figure out how to take the monopoly of profits away from very rich owners, especially mega-rich corps, and spread it out to workers more in a way that actually works then hey i'd be down.  I say tax them and make sure they don't hide their money offshore.
"Nipples is one of the great minds of our time!" - Bubbermiley
Agree Agree x 1 View List

Offline SirJohn

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5801
Re: People’s Party of Canada launched
« Reply #65 on: September 18, 2018, 04:12:18 pm »
That has more to do with totalitarianism than Communism. In case you were unaware one is under the Cs in the dictionary, the other is under the Ts.

The mindset of the Communist is totalitarian by nature. They want government to have all control of every means of production, government to have control of what people do and where they do it, government to control what you own and how much of it. That is not the mindset that is going to look tolerantly on people saying they're full of ****. Nor is it going to accept people deciding to remove them from office.

 
"When liberals insist that only fascists will defend borders then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals won't do." David Frum

Offline SirJohn

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5801
Re: People’s Party of Canada launched
« Reply #66 on: September 18, 2018, 04:14:46 pm »
Equating the violence of fascism with the political ideology of socialism is one of the dumbest things you've ever done.

Marxism IS Socialism. And Marxism is the polar opposite of Fascism. Both are totalitarian ideologies which do not tolerate dissent.
There has never been a peaceful Marxist state. There never will be.



"When liberals insist that only fascists will defend borders then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals won't do." David Frum

Offline SirJohn

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5801
Re: People’s Party of Canada launched
« Reply #67 on: September 18, 2018, 04:16:36 pm »
I suggest the comparison is made to refute earlier comments as to how democratic countries always do so much better than communist ones.

No one has ever used the term "always". The problem in Congo and Nigeria isn't because of Capitalism but corruption and tribal violence.
"When liberals insist that only fascists will defend borders then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals won't do." David Frum

Offline Omni

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 8563
Re: People’s Party of Canada launched
« Reply #68 on: September 18, 2018, 04:20:29 pm »
No one has ever used the term "always". The problem in Congo and Nigeria isn't because of Capitalism but corruption and tribal violence.

You're confused again. I was relating Nigeria and Valenzuela.

Offline SirJohn

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5801
Re: People’s Party of Canada launched
« Reply #69 on: September 18, 2018, 04:28:32 pm »
You're confused again. I was relating Nigeria and Valenzuela.

I'm never confused. I was referencing your comparison and another made above it.

And you're ignoring the fact my point still stands. Nigeria's problem is corruption and tribal and religious violence, not Capitalism. Venezuela's problem is Socialism.
"When liberals insist that only fascists will defend borders then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals won't do." David Frum

Offline Squidward von Squidderson

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5630
Re: People’s Party of Canada launched
« Reply #70 on: September 18, 2018, 04:32:02 pm »
Marxism IS Socialism. And Marxism is the polar opposite of Fascism. Both are totalitarian ideologies which do not tolerate dissent.
There has never been a peaceful Marxist state. There never will be.

Has there ever been a peaceful socialist state?

Offline Omni

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 8563
Re: People’s Party of Canada launched
« Reply #71 on: September 18, 2018, 04:46:37 pm »
I'm never confused. I was referencing your comparison and another made above it.

And you're ignoring the fact my point still stands. Nigeria's problem is corruption and tribal and religious violence, not Capitalism. Venezuela's problem is Socialism.

Nigeria's biggest problem is that capitalism is raping them of their natural resources and taking the money and running.

Offline Queefer Sutherland

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10186
Re: People’s Party of Canada launched
« Reply #72 on: September 18, 2018, 05:12:37 pm »
Nigeria's biggest problem is that capitalism is raping them of their natural resources and taking the money and running.

If that's true, why doesn't the Nigerian leadership stop them from doing so?  Probably because they're corrupt like most other developing and/or sub-saharan countries and are getting paid handsomely for it.  If Nigeria was communist they'd nationalize their resources and the corrupt elites would keep a lot of that money too.  Many African countries tried communism throughout the cold war...it didn't work either.

Sub-Saharan Africa's problems go back well before the Portuguese started mucking around there.  Their economies would lag well behind the rest of the planet no matter what economic system they or we used.
"Nipples is one of the great minds of our time!" - Bubbermiley

Offline Omni

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 8563
Re: People’s Party of Canada launched
« Reply #73 on: September 18, 2018, 05:23:23 pm »
If that's true, why doesn't the Nigerian leadership stop them from doing so?  Probably because they're corrupt like most other developing and/or sub-saharan countries and are getting paid handsomely for it.  If Nigeria was communist they'd nationalize their resources and the corrupt elites would keep a lot of that money too.  Many African countries tried communism throughout the cold war...it didn't work either.

Sub-Saharan Africa's problems go back well before the Portuguese started mucking around there.  Their economies would lag well behind the rest of the planet no matter what economic system they or we used.

And who do you think is providing that "paid handsomely" revenue? I'll tell ya, Exxon Mobil, Shell, Arco, etc. Whatever gov't is in power they get rich, the company gets rich, the people remain poor.

Offline ?Impact

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2941
Re: People’s Party of Canada launched
« Reply #74 on: September 18, 2018, 05:56:06 pm »
I don't know what any of this has to do with Bernier and his pee pee party.
Useful Useful x 1 View List