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Re: Opposition Parties (uncensored thread)
« Reply #555 on: September 27, 2022, 11:04:42 pm »
PP is half-retarded and the CPC is still polling ahead of the Libs in terms of seat-projection on 338.  Uh-oh spaghetios!

Polls at this point in time are completely meaningless.  We might be two years from an election.  And we may be seeing something of a post-leadership bounce for Peter Polyester, as is often the case for new leaders.

However, this might dissuade Justin and his backroom advisors from calling a snap election.

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« Reply #556 on: September 27, 2022, 11:12:37 pm »
Pierre was fine with the far-right wackos threatening Trudeau and his family, and even met and shook hands with the people who did it  But now that they've turned on him and his wife, suddenly that sort of rhetoric is unacceptable?



such a hypocrite is Poilievre - don't be skippy! Claiming he didn't know about Diagolon (until about a month ago) is a g-damn lie... it was prominently mentioned several times back in February during the debate over deployment of the Emergencies Act! Pee Pee, the leader of the Convoy Party of Canada! LOL!


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« Reply #557 on: September 27, 2022, 11:34:18 pm »
Charest was favoured amongst all Canadians while Poilievre was favoured amongst conservatives. It’s unfathomable to me why the party chose him.

I mean I get that he represents their ideals but when he doesn’t resonate with the rest of the country why not try to get the fascist dictator <eye roll> out of office?

Probably 40+% of Canadians would not vote CPC regardless of who they chose as leader.  There's little doubt that committed LPC and NDP voters would have preferred Charest to Poilievre, but so what?  Choosing a leader that's popular with people who wouldn't vote for you anyway isn't a recipe for success.

There's two kinds of votes who are actually in play.
 1) undecided centrist voters who might be persuaded to vote CPC
 2) right wing voters who might vote PPC if the party moved to the center.

With regard to group (2) I think clearly Poilievre keeps more CPC voters from migrating to the PPC, and probably brings some PPC voters back to the CPC. I don't know how many votes we're actually talking about there. With PPC typically polling around 5%, clearly not a lot. I do think there is some small number of ridings where vote splitting between PPC and CPC could be a factor, but it's probably not a big difference maker.

With regard to group (1), I think there is obviously a much larger number of voters available there, but I'm skeptical as to whether Charest would make a difference there.  I honestly just don't think Charest matters in 2022.  I just don't think anybody gives a **** about Charest anymore.    Ultimately I think that the election doesn't ride on Trudeau or Poilievre as much as it rides on the economy.  If the economy recovers and people are not feeling as squeezed financially by the time we vote next, I think the Liberals will win. If people are still feeling financially squeezed when we vote next, I think the CPC wins. I think that's what it really comes down to.

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Re: Opposition Parties (uncensored thread)
« Reply #558 on: September 28, 2022, 08:45:21 am »
1. Probably 40+% of Canadians would not vote CPC regardless of who they chose as leader.   

 

1. Where do you get THAT number ? 

Harper was considered a big meanie by many and he got about 40% ten years ago or so.

https://www.sfu.ca/~aheard/elections/1867-present.html
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« Reply #559 on: September 28, 2022, 10:56:46 am »
1. Where do you get THAT number ? 

Harper was considered a big meanie by many and he got about 40% ten years ago or so.

https://www.sfu.ca/~aheard/elections/1867-present.html

Which means 60% didn't vote for him, which is Kimmy's point that the number of swing votersis relatively small.
 

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Re: Opposition Parties (uncensored thread)
« Reply #560 on: September 28, 2022, 11:55:25 am »
Holy crap. That's embarrassing. 😂

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« Reply #561 on: September 28, 2022, 01:05:37 pm »
Holy crap. That's embarrassing. 😂

Math errors are embarrassing ?

Ok... I guess I'm glad I don't have your ego...

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« Reply #562 on: September 28, 2022, 01:27:55 pm »
I didn't see a math error. I saw a complete lack of understanding of how numbers work.
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« Reply #563 on: September 28, 2022, 02:27:25 pm »
I didn't see a math error. I saw a complete lack of understanding of how numbers work.
What was said about conservatives applies to any party.  No party usually gets much more than 40%, no matter who wins.

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« Reply #564 on: September 28, 2022, 03:23:14 pm »
You still don't understand the original point. But I guess you're used to that by now.

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« Reply #565 on: September 29, 2022, 11:42:36 am »
c'mon Shady, why would your boy PeePee and CPC MPs vote against providing dental care to the children of low(er) income families?

Canada Dental Benefit - the Liberal federal government plan states that:
=> as the first stage, coverage for those people who are uninsured, and earning less than $90,000, will start with kids under 12 years old this year;
=> coverage will be expanded to those under 18, seniors and people with disabilities by the end of next year;
=> full implementation is promised by 2025.

NDP calls out Poilievre and Conservatives for opposing kids dental benefit while MPs enjoy comprehensive coverage

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NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh says it’s “ridiculous” that Conservative MPs will vote against a proposed dental benefit for children in low-income families when they enjoy far more comprehensive dental care coverage for their own families.

“Conservative MPs are planning to vote against giving kids dental care when their leader has had publicly-paid dental care for nearly two decades," Singh said Wednesday, referring to Pierre Poilievre, who has been an MP since 2004.

The Conservatives have signalled they will oppose Bill C-31, which would provide a benefit of up to $650 per child under age 12 in families with incomes lower than $90,000. Last week, the party tried to pass a motion in the House of Commons gutting the legislation.

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« Reply #566 on: September 29, 2022, 04:07:09 pm »
c'mon Shady, why would your boy PeePee and CPC MPs vote against providing dental care to the children of low(er) income families?

Canada Dental Benefit - the Liberal federal government plan states that:
=> as the first stage, coverage for those people who are uninsured, and earning less than $90,000, will start with kids under 12 years old this year;
=> coverage will be expanded to those under 18, seniors and people with disabilities by the end of next year;
=> full implementation is promised by 2025.

NDP calls out Poilievre and Conservatives for opposing kids dental benefit while MPs enjoy comprehensive coverage

I don't oppose it, however it should be paid for in the budget.

Waldo, how is the Liberal/ndp fake coalition going to pay for it?  Raising taxes or cutting spending elsewhere?  Nah they're just going to add it to the debt just like everything else.

And don't mention the recent quarterly surplus, that's just quarterly, we know it's not going to last longterm with this government.
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Re: Opposition Parties (uncensored thread)
« Reply #567 on: September 29, 2022, 04:10:04 pm »
I don't oppose it, however it should be paid for in the budget.

Waldo, how is the Liberal/ndp fake coalition going to pay for it?  Raising taxes or cutting spending elsewhere?  Nah they're just going to add it to the debt just like everything else.

And don't mention the recent quarterly surplus, that's just quarterly, we know it's not going to last longterm with this government.
And the surplus comes from record high inflation.  The government is getting extra tax revenue from huge price increases in virtually everything.  Once inflation comes down, so does that extra revenue.  But I wouldn’t doubt that the Liberal-NDP Party plans to raise taxes some more, especially the carbon tax.

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Re: Opposition Parties (uncensored thread)
« Reply #568 on: September 29, 2022, 05:19:42 pm »
whoa Shady, you're being very selective in what you're responding to - here, let's try this again, hey! C'mon Shady, think of the kids, think of the kids!

c'mon Shady, why would your boy PeePee and CPC MPs vote against providing dental care to the children of low(er) income families?

NDP calls out Poilievre and Conservatives for opposing kids dental benefit while MPs enjoy comprehensive coverage

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« Reply #569 on: September 29, 2022, 05:25:29 pm »
...Liberal/ndp fake coalition

wait now! Are you claiming a coalition exists, but its fake... or a postured/posed/presumptive... fake... coalition doesn't exist? Please elaborate, hey Nipples!