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« Reply #510 on: September 18, 2022, 11:07:52 am »
all through the leadership campaign Poilievre refused to be interviewed by anyone from the so-called mainstream media... but somehow managed to find time to be a part of a Jordon Peterson podcast!

so today skippy held a presser that was initially intended as a 'no questions' statement from Poilievre... somewhere in the mix that shifted to where Poilievre's handlers relented to allow 2... and only 2 questions.

but the ever lurking drama had Global's David Akin taking heat from Poilievre who chose to label him a "Liberal heckler"... and more broadly referred to the gathered journalists as the, "Liberal heckling gathering" - all on display in the short video as follows. Of course Akin actually has a long history of Conservative bias.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6n0lh5fTZk

Who the hell calls a press conference, then tells reporters they can’t ask questions?

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Who the hell calls a press conference, then tells reporters they can’t ask questions?

It’s right in the words: P-R-E-S-S conference.

Dear politicians, if you want to reach the public without the media, you’re free to open a Facebook page or post more of your spicy attack ads to YouTube. Maybe suck up a few million taxpayers' dollars to fund a PR “war room” like Jason Kenney and if your voters keep coming back, more power to you. You can even launch your own news site like Doug Ford did.

However, there are still citizens in this democracy who invest their time and money to support a free press. They want journalists to represent them, to seek truth and demand accountability.

That’s right, if you want access to media platforms, public accountability is the price of entry.

You don’t get to cheat citizens in a democracy by holding a “press conference” where you muzzle the press and expect us to play along.

Mr. Poilievre, welcome to the first day of leadership class.

Here is lesson 101: You are not the free press’ gatekeeper.

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« Reply #511 on: September 18, 2022, 11:16:12 am »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxzmJ2qLMg8&t=287s

h/t Martin Lukacs - The Breach

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Pierre Poilievre bills himself a man of the people, who’s taking on the powerful, standing up for the working class, with a penchant for speaking like a popular rebellion leader… from 14th century England.

Poilievre is tapping into anger at inequality and the soaring cost of living while pointing his finger at the ruling class that is responsible.

There’s just one hitch: Pierre Poilievre has spent his entire political career serving the very elites he vilifies.

So what explains his approach? It’s called fake populism: when politicians ride ordinary people’s outrage against the establishment into office, then hand the keys to the one percent.
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Elected at 24 years old, he emerged within Stephen Harper’s government as the leading enemy of workers’ basic rights.

He helped push legislation to make it more difficult for workers to unionize, to collectively negotiate, and to go on strike—the best tool they have against elites and employers.

When migrant workers brought in by the government to work on Canada’s farms and in seniors homes faced deportation, Poilievre’s response exhibited his special brand of concern for the common toiler: “That’s why they’re called temporary foreign workers.”

Poilievre has such a distaste for Canada’s universal social programs that he has suggested adopting economist Milton Friedman’s proposal to replace “the entire welfare state” with “a tiny survival stipend for all low-income people.” This would involve “eliminating all other programs, including housing, drug plans, child care and the bureaucrats who administer it all.”

Massive tax cuts for the rich, suppressing workers rights, and gutting social programs that ordinary Canadians depend on — it’s not exactly the platform of a people’s champion.

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« Reply #512 on: September 18, 2022, 12:47:53 pm »

Poilievre has such a distaste for Canada’s universal social programs that he has suggested adopting economist Milton Friedman’s proposal to replace “the entire welfare state” with “a tiny survival stipend for all low-income people.” This would involve “eliminating all other programs, including housing, drug plans, child care and the bureaucrats who administer it all.”


Wait... isn't that UIB ?

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« Reply #513 on: September 18, 2022, 01:15:38 pm »

Poilievre has such a distaste for Canada’s universal social programs that he has suggested adopting economist Milton Friedman’s proposal to replace “the entire welfare state” with “a tiny survival stipend for all low-income people.” This would involve “eliminating all other programs, including housing, drug plans, child care and the bureaucrats who administer it all.”


Wait... isn't that UIB ?

No, closer to UBI.
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Re: Opposition Parties (uncensored thread)
« Reply #514 on: September 18, 2022, 01:19:46 pm »
Waldo you ever post arguments anymore, or just repost twitter memes and youtube videos?
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« Reply #515 on: September 18, 2022, 02:08:05 pm »


skippy has shown a knack for fomenting anger but not for proposing sensible economic solutions

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TorStar - Pierre Poilievre cruised to victory as federal Conservative leader. His campaign was powered by a core of party members who are mad as hell, about pretty much everything, from COVID rules to climate policies to the mass media.

While that negative energy handily won him the leadership, Poilievre now faces the same quandary as his unsuccessful predecessors: the narratives that make you popular with party members don’t usually resonate with the broader electorate.

His economic platform will decisively shape his future fortunes. Poilievre portrays himself as a fighter for “freedom,” promising to liberate Canadians from regulations and taxes. But his economic program is not consistent with that overarching narrative. In fact, it’s hard to pin down his economics anywhere on the conventional political spectrum. Some of his proposals are libertarian: smaller government, lower taxes. But others are highly interventionist — imposing new leaders at the Bank of Canada, banning imports from certain countries, intruding into the governance of cities and universities.
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This hodgepodge of policies is neither right-wing nor left-wing. Poilievre promises to ban so many things — imports of Middle East oil, attendance at world economic conferences, university policies, and more — he sounds authoritarian as often as libertarian. The only consistent thread in his economic platform is a desire to foment anger over any convenient issue … and direct it at federal institutions.

That’s an effective way to get yourself elected Conservative leader. But it’s a very dangerous way to run an economy.

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« Reply #516 on: September 19, 2022, 09:50:37 am »

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« Reply #517 on: September 19, 2022, 02:41:17 pm »
oh my - Canada @29% positive impression of skippy! Is that a lot... that's not a lot, right? Right Shady?


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Re: Opposition Parties (uncensored thread)
« Reply #518 on: September 19, 2022, 11:17:15 pm »


Not sure I get the point of the cartoon. Is the puppy supposed to represent David Akin or Canadian media in general?


oh my - Canada @29% positive impression of skippy! Is that a lot... that's not a lot, right? Right Shady?


Genuine question: how are the rest of the leaders polling these days?  It has been a while since I saw polling about the party leaders, but my recollection is that only Singh does well in "net favorable" numbers in these sorts of thing.

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Re: Opposition Parties (uncensored thread)
« Reply #519 on: September 20, 2022, 08:46:55 am »
I believe a Liberal minority is projected...>


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« Reply #520 on: September 20, 2022, 11:41:38 am »
oh c'mon! Poilievre's 'working man' schtick is just so lame, just so phony, just so disingenuous...



Pierre Poilievre Claims He’s a Friend of the ‘Working Class’. He’s Spent Years Attacking Canadian Workers.

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Newly elected Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre’s recent rhetoric pandering to workers contradicts his long track record of attacking unions and dividing workers, experts say.

Poilievre has spent much of his leadership campaign paying lip service to Canadian workers and claiming, without evidence, that workers support him.
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Poilievre aggressively fought card-check legislation that would make it easier for workers to unionize in favour of a two-step process that gives employers more time to interfere in the union drive.
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Under Stephen Harper’s government, Poilievre was one of the loudest supporters of the anti-union Bill C-377, a likely unconstitutional piece of legislation that tried to force Canadian labour unions to disclose all of their internal finances while big corporations would not have been subjected to the same rules.

Poilievre is also a major proponent of bringing US Right-to-Work laws to Canada. Right-to-Work laws weaken the labour movement by making it more difficult for unions to collect membership dues which pay for the collective bargaining process. Wages and benefits are lower on average in states with Right-to-Work laws.
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Poilievre also used xenophobic rhetoric arguing that “foreign” migrant workers were taking Canadian workers’ jobs and driving down wages.

Poilievre was Stephen Harper’s Employment Minister while thousands of migrant workers had their work permits expire in 2015 which forced them to leave the country or remain as undocumented workers.

“That’s why they’re called temporary foreign workers,” Poilievre said about the looming deportations in 2015.
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Poilievre defended his management of the temporary foreign worker program and the deportations: “Broadly speaking, we made the right decision with the program, and we’re going to continue.”


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Re: Opposition Parties (uncensored thread)
« Reply #521 on: September 20, 2022, 01:43:38 pm »
Theory: Harper was a robot.

PP is also, but a new model.  T-1000.
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Re: Opposition Parties (uncensored thread)
« Reply #522 on: September 21, 2022, 06:23:22 pm »
Skippy power!

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« Reply #523 on: September 21, 2022, 06:25:47 pm »
oh c'mon! Poilievre's 'working man' schtick is just so lame, just so phony, just so disingenuous...



Pierre Poilievre Claims He’s a Friend of the ‘Working Class’. He’s Spent Years Attacking Canadian Workers.
A pension he worked for, unlike your trust fund baby.

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Re: Opposition Parties (uncensored thread)
« Reply #524 on: September 21, 2022, 09:00:21 pm »
Skippy power!

you doofus! National polls are meaningless... carry on!