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« Reply #450 on: September 12, 2022, 09:31:01 am »
We saw what happened to O'Toole when he tried to pull that trick.

JT did not win that election by much.

He was lucky that Vaccines and COVID were a potent wedge issue. I doubt that will track for the next election.

I wouldn't put it past JT to give PP the Stockwell Day treatment and try to call a snap election. The NDP may not be down, they're in defacto government right now.
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« Reply #451 on: September 12, 2022, 10:11:36 am »
JT did not win that election by much.

He was lucky that Vaccines and COVID was a potent wedge issue. I doubt that will track for the next election.

I wouldn't put it past JT to give PP the Stockwell Day treatment and try to call a snap election. The NDP may not be down, they're in defacto government right now.

Yeah the margins are tight, that's the issue. JT won the election in part because O'Toole was seen as going squishy by the hard right elements in the party. If PP tries to moderate his stances, he runs the same risk of alienating the people who carried him to power. I guess it's a question of whether or not PP is high on his own supply and actually thinks the electorate is as extreme as his base.

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« Reply #452 on: September 12, 2022, 10:21:59 am »
Yeah the margins are tight, that's the issue. JT won the election in part because O'Toole was seen as going squishy by the hard right elements in the party. If PP tries to moderate his stances, he runs the same risk of alienating the people who carried him to power. I guess it's a question of whether or not PP is high on his own supply and actually thinks the electorate is as extreme as his base.

You can tell by his early sentiments that he'll lean into the Populist stuff. Worked for Trump and has worked for DoFo in areas where he'll need.

We'll see.

With all the baggage JT has overcome, I doubt dwelling on BitCoin and the Bank of Canada will make much hay in the long run.

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« Reply #453 on: September 12, 2022, 10:36:29 am »
You can tell by his early sentiments that he'll lean into the Populist stuff. Worked for Trump and has worked for DoFo in areas where he'll need.

We'll see.

With all the baggage JT has overcome, I doubt dwelling on BitCoin and the Bank of Canada will make much hay in the long run.

What's funny is for such a supposed populist, very little of his platform is actually aimed at helping the middle/working classes. A Plain Language Law? Stopping private companies from importing miniscule amounts of foreign oil? Jets at Billy Bishop? Regulating speech in colleges/universities? Folderol about the World Economic Forum? Who on earth gives a sh!t about any of that stuff? Doug Ford would never.


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« Reply #454 on: September 12, 2022, 03:15:46 pm »
Statement from Mark Hancock, National President of the Canadian Union of Public Employees (CUPE), on Pierre Poilievre winning the Conservative Party leadership:



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« Reply #455 on: September 12, 2022, 03:21:55 pm »
Statement from Mark Hancock, National President of the Canadian Union of Public Employees (CUPE), on Pierre Poilievre winning the Conservative Party leadership:



Another reason why CUPE has no credibility.
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« Reply #456 on: September 12, 2022, 04:14:39 pm »
Sounds like something a far-right extremist conspiracy theorist would say.

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« Reply #457 on: September 12, 2022, 04:27:10 pm »
Sounds like something a far-right extremist conspiracy theorist would say.

Hit dogs holler.

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« Reply #458 on: September 12, 2022, 06:46:04 pm »
Sounds like something a far-right extremist conspiracy theorist would say.
Not really.  I’m just looking at the facts.  CUPE thinks he’s by bad for “working families”.  But they’re silent on extreme inflation.  Do they think that’s good for working people?  They’re silent on carbon taxes and phony environmental policies that make energy much more expensive.  Do they think that’s good for working people?  They’re silent on mass unlimited immigration, which makes everything more expensive, particularly rent and housing.  Do they think that’s good for working people?  Nah.  They just don’t like not having a Prime Minister that spends his time shovelling troughs full of money to public sector unions.  All at the expense of working people through higher fees and higher taxes.  I can’t wait to get a responsible adult in Ottawa again, who’s not trying to be Santa Claus.
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« Reply #459 on: September 12, 2022, 09:45:05 pm »
Not really.  I’m just looking at the facts.  CUPE thinks he’s by bad for “working families”.  But they’re silent on extreme inflation.  Do they think that’s good for working people?  They’re silent on carbon taxes and phony environmental policies that make energy much more expensive.  Do they think that’s good for working people?  They’re silent on mass unlimited immigration, which makes everything more expensive, particularly rent and housing.  Do they think that’s good for working people?  Nah.  They just don’t like not having a Prime Minister that spends his time shovelling troughs full of money to public sector unions.  All at the expense of working people through higher fees and higher taxes.  I can’t wait to get a responsible adult in Ottawa again, who’s not trying to be Santa Claus.

Important to note here that when Shiddy says "CUPE is silent on X" he means "CUPE doesn't agree with me on X" which is not the same thing. CUPE has positions on all these issues, they just don't conform to those of the dumbest man on the internet, which is probably a stroke in their favour. That being said, there's no doubt their opposition to PeePee Poo Poo is self-serving, but that doesn't mean they are wrong; we know PP's objective is, like all conservatives, to facilitate the upward transfer of wealth and the destruction of public services.
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Re: Opposition Parties (uncensored thread)
« Reply #460 on: September 12, 2022, 09:52:38 pm »
Does anyone give a crap about covid anymore?

anymore... or ever? C'mon Shady, do you follow your boy Poilievre's position that Conservatives wouldn't have provided COVID benefits to individuals, to businesses... cause, "we're Conservatives, we don't believe in that (in big fat government programs)". So Shady, alternatively, just what would you have wanted done to help Canadians & Canadian businesses work through... and in some cases quite literally survive/keep afloat through the pandemic?

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« Reply #461 on: September 13, 2022, 02:51:39 am »
Another reason why CUPE has no credibility.

you want more? More? No problemo!

Pierre Poilievre Claims He’s a Friend of the ‘Working Class’. He’s Spent Years Attacking Canadian Workers.

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Newly elected Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre’s recent rhetoric pandering to workers contradicts his long track record of attacking unions and dividing workers, experts say.

Poilievre has spent much of his leadership campaign paying lip service to Canadian workers and claiming, without evidence, that workers support him.
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Poilievre aggressively fought card-check legislation that would make it easier for workers to unionize in favour of a two-step process that gives employers more time to interfere in the union drive.
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Under Stephen Harper’s government, Poilievre was one of the loudest supporters of the anti-union Bill C-377, a likely unconstitutional piece of legislation that tried to force Canadian labour unions to disclose all of their internal finances while big corporations would not have been subjected to the same rules.

Poilievre is also a major proponent of bringing US Right-to-Work laws to Canada. Right-to-Work laws weaken the labour movement by making it more difficult for unions to collect membership dues which pay for the collective bargaining process. Wages and benefits are lower on average in states with Right-to-Work laws.
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Poilievre also used xenophobic rhetoric arguing that “foreign” migrant workers were taking Canadian workers’ jobs and driving down wages.

Poilievre was Stephen Harper’s Employment Minister while thousands of migrant workers had their work permits expire in 2015 which forced them to leave the country or remain as undocumented workers.

“That’s why they’re called temporary foreign workers,” Poilievre said about the looming deportations in 2015.
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Poilievre defended his management of the temporary foreign worker program and the deportations: “Broadly speaking, we made the right decision with the program, and we’re going to continue.”



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Re: Opposition Parties (uncensored thread)
« Reply #462 on: September 13, 2022, 08:29:57 pm »
Choose people for key positions based in whole or in part on their membership in a marginalized community.

the marginalized community of those who choose to wear their hair dressed in a pompadour - the waldo asks the simple question: "who did/does it better"?



hey Shady, you have repeat posts extolling the party prominence of Lantsman - has she ever sponsored/co-sponsored a bill... any bill? Oh wait, that's why Poilievre chose her as "coDeputy Leader"... cause she matches his dismal lack of bill sponsorship - birds of a feather, hey!
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« Reply #463 on: September 13, 2022, 08:41:17 pm »
whaaa! Such a weak bench to choose from... and we now see the outcome of all that azzkissing by Scheer! Hey now waldo, does that House Leader position for Scheer come with a mini-van and paid school tuition for his brood?


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« Reply #464 on: September 13, 2022, 11:48:23 pm »
all through the leadership campaign Poilievre refused to be interviewed by anyone from the so-called mainstream media... but somehow managed to find time to be a part of a Jordon Peterson podcast!

so today skippy held a presser that was initially intended as a 'no questions' statement from Poilievre... somewhere in the mix that shifted to where Poilievre's handlers relented to allow 2... and only 2 questions.

but the ever lurking drama had Global's David Akin taking heat from Poilievre who chose to label him a "Liberal heckler"... and more broadly referred to the gathered journalists as the, "Liberal heckling gathering" - all on display in the short video as follows. Of course Akin actually has a long history of Conservative bias.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6n0lh5fTZk

clearly too much pressure for skippy... and it becomes clearer as to why Poilievre was kept away from the media during the leadership campaign - not that there was ever any doubt why the thin-skinned, brash and obnoxious Poilievre was so isolated from the media! But wait now - never let a victim-hood fundraising opportunity slide on by; as follows, the fundraising email that went out soon after!