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Offline waldo

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« Reply #45 on: March 15, 2022, 12:28:34 am »

Offline MH

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« Reply #46 on: March 15, 2022, 07:53:47 am »
I'm liking this.  The centrists on the attack can only help the quality of Dialogue.

I noticed that Dr. Pepper has come out with a plan to 'fast track' immigration.  I can't wait to hear the reaction.

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Re: Opposition Parties (uncensored thread)
« Reply #47 on: March 15, 2022, 09:36:34 am »
I'm liking this.  The centrists on the attack can only help the quality of Dialogue.

I noticed that Dr. Pepper has come out with a plan to 'fast track' immigration.  I can't wait to hear the reaction.

I really hope Patrick Brown wins. And also Pray that he doesn't get railroaded by his own party again.

Dude is the mayor of one of the most multicultural cities in Canada, and an important 905 city to boot.

He has to be the most broadly electable Conservative I've seen since Harper.
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Offline Squidward von Squidderson

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« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2022, 10:18:21 am »
I really hope Patrick Brown wins. And also Pray that he doesn't get railroaded by his own party again.

Dude is the mayor of one of the most multicultural cities in Canada, and an important 905 city to boot.

He has to be the most broadly electable Conservative I've seen since Harper.

Harper won his majority with only 3% more of the votes than the Cons got in the last election. 

Funny, eh?  The “broadly electable” Harper received barely any more votes than that failure O’Toole. 
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« Reply #49 on: March 15, 2022, 11:00:55 am »
I really hope Patrick Brown wins. And also Pray that he doesn't get railroaded by his own party again.

Dude is the mayor of one of the most multicultural cities in Canada, and an important 905 city to boot.

He has to be the most broadly electable Conservative I've seen since Harper.
Any conservative has to throw bones to the ignoramuses and so I doubt I will vote for him either.

I need a Tory the colour of my boy's butt after a spanking...

(Kidding, I doubt that that exists and I don't spank Easy)

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« Reply #50 on: March 15, 2022, 11:05:01 am »
Harper won his majority with only 3% more of the votes than the Cons got in the last election. 

Funny, eh?  The “broadly electable” Harper received barely any more votes than that failure O’Toole.

Broadly electable does mean something. Who cares if more Westerners hate JT so much and juices the parties popular vote.

Harper was able to win in Quebec and Ontario. Scheer and O'Toole were not.

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« Reply #51 on: March 15, 2022, 11:45:57 am »
Broadly electable does mean something. Who cares if more Westerners hate JT so much and juices the parties popular vote.

Harper was able to win in Quebec and Ontario. Scheer and O'Toole were not.


You’re definition of “winning Quebec” is rather odd.  The Cons (Harper) won 5 seats in Quebec when they last got a majority government. 

You should take more of a dive into the numbers…. I love numbers….  They don’t lie.  My takeaway is that the NDP did so well that they siphoned away Liberal seats allowing the Cons (Harper) to win a majority of seats due to the vote splitting.

I don’t think you can look at that election and come away with the conclusion that it was because Harper was “broadly electable”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Canadian_federal_election
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« Reply #52 on: March 15, 2022, 11:46:02 am »
Harper won his majority with only 3% more of the votes than the Cons got in the last election. 

Funny, eh?  The “broadly electable” Harper received barely any more votes than that failure O’Toole.
Its the nature of Canadian democracy... with at least 3 viable parties in every riding and the first-past-the-post selection method, even a small change in the popular vote can cause large swings in electability.

And Harper got ~40% of the popular vote when he won a majority. O'Toole got ~34%. A difference of 6% of the popular vote.

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« Reply #53 on: March 15, 2022, 11:57:06 am »
Its the nature of Canadian democracy... with at least 3 viable parties in every riding and the first-past-the-post selection method, even a small change in the popular vote can cause large swings in electability.

Yes, absolutely agreed.  That’s why I think looking at Harper and saying he was “broadly electable” is looking at such small differences and drawing conclusions that are not really valid, in my opinion. 

If Harper had Mulroney-like numbers, I would agree…. Broadly electable.  But he was nowhere close and his majority was mainly due to a surge in NDP popularity.


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And Harper got ~40% of the popular vote when he won a majority. O'Toole got ~34%. A difference of 6% of the popular vote.

Mea culpa.  You’re right.  6%.  Still a pretty small difference. 

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« Reply #54 on: March 15, 2022, 12:12:32 pm »
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And Harper got ~40% of the popular vote when he won a majority. O'Toole got ~34%. A difference of 6% of the popular vote.
Mea culpa.  You’re right.  6%.  Still a pretty small difference.
Is it? Maybe if you look at percentage of popular vote, but you can also look at it as a percentage of the conservative vote... That 6% shift in popular vote represents an ~15% drop in conservative support.
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« Reply #55 on: March 15, 2022, 12:27:06 pm »
I get the feeling that the base will not support Peter PepperLips if he starts out as pro-immigrant.

Thank you Patrick Brown.

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« Reply #56 on: March 15, 2022, 12:50:29 pm »

You’re definition of “winning Quebec” is rather odd.  The Cons (Harper) won 5 seats in Quebec when they last got a majority government. 

You should take more of a dive into the numbers…. I love numbers….  They don’t lie.  My takeaway is that the NDP did so well that they siphoned away Liberal seats allowing the Cons (Harper) to win a majority of seats due to the vote splitting.

I don’t think you can look at that election and come away with the conclusion that it was because Harper was “broadly electable”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Canadian_federal_election

Your claim is that Harper was only marginally more popular than this losing lot. I'm claiming that Harper was more electable in the areas that mattered.

Harper did well in Suburban Toronto. This is where I live, so I may think highly of my demographic, but the "905" is the ultimately bell weather region.

This gives Brown a distinct advantage in a National election being a politician who currently represents part of this region.
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Re: Opposition Parties (uncensored thread)
« Reply #57 on: March 15, 2022, 12:51:53 pm »
Yes, absolutely agreed.  That’s why I think looking at Harper and saying he was “broadly electable” is looking at such small differences and drawing conclusions that are not really valid, in my opinion. 

If Harper had Mulroney-like numbers, I would agree…. Broadly electable.  But he was nowhere close and his majority was mainly due to a surge in NDP popularity.


Mea culpa.  You’re right.  6%.  Still a pretty small difference.

So then I ask, Is JT broadly electable? Considering he's actually lost two popular votes in a row.

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« Reply #58 on: March 15, 2022, 02:00:36 pm »
So then I ask, Is JT broadly electable? Considering he's actually lost two popular votes in a row.

Good point.  Broad support might mean support across the country to win seats, rather than popular vote. 

Point taken. 

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Re: Opposition Parties (uncensored thread)
« Reply #59 on: March 15, 2022, 02:47:40 pm »
I will speculate and say that if Brown or Charest win the party nomination, we will see another western “reform” party offshoot due to the whacky Albertans being pissed-off.
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