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Offline Based Shady

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« Reply #345 on: August 03, 2022, 01:06:48 pm »
again, only losers lamenting reach for popular vote! In your particular case the reach is quite comical, particularly given the minuscule numbers you presume to attempt to leverage; again, the popular vote numbers difference you're embarrassing yourself over:
=> in 2019 ~18 million votes were cast... the popular vote difference was ~220K votes greater;
=> in 2021 ~17 million votes were cast... the popular vote difference was ~186K votes greater


again, WINNERS WIN, LOSERS LAMENT!

#Trudeau3Peat ... apparently... it's a part of the Brand!
Yes, he won by losing! 😂😂😂
Thankfully for him, his buddy Jagoff came to the rescue! 🤣

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« Reply #346 on: August 03, 2022, 01:08:26 pm »
Ford, for all his many faults, isn't a unlikeable, charisma-free whackjob pandering to the dumbest people alive like Pollivere, so I have no idea how you can map the Ontario results onto the federal one. Just kidding, I do: you're an idiot.
You vote like a teenage girl.  I couldn’t give a **** about personality and charisma.  I care about policies. 

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« Reply #347 on: August 03, 2022, 01:35:14 pm »
You vote like a teenage girl.  I couldn’t give a **** about personality and charisma. I care about policies.

First, no you don't (how many memes have you posted about JT's hair/clothes?), and second, Pollivere's "policies" (that is: repeating the words "freedom" and "gatekeepers" over and over again) are dogshit too.
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« Reply #348 on: August 05, 2022, 12:19:51 pm »
First, no you don't (how many memes have you posted about JT's hair/clothes?), and second, Pollivere's "policies" (that is: repeating the words "freedom" and "gatekeepers" over and over again) are dogshit too.
Nope.  Taxes, budgets, vaccine mandates, immigration, housing, etc.  Keep your head up Trudeau's to shelter you from the truth.

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« Reply #349 on: August 05, 2022, 12:24:05 pm »
Nope.  Taxes, budgets, vaccine mandates, immigration, housing, etc.  Keep your head up Trudeau's to shelter you from the truth.

The truth is Pollivre is an empty husk who has somehow managed to make Trudeau look like an intellectual and policy heavyweight.
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« Reply #350 on: August 05, 2022, 12:42:58 pm »
The truth is Pollivre is an empty husk who has somehow managed to make Trudeau look like an intellectual and policy heavyweight.
BWAAAHAAAAAHAAA, a Trudeau supporter calling somebody else an empty husk!  Really?  It doesn't seem that way in question period.  Pollivere turns Trudeau into a babbling monkey.

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« Reply #351 on: August 05, 2022, 12:50:24 pm »
BWAAAHAAAAAHAAA, a Trudeau supporter calling somebody else an empty husk!  Really?  It doesn't seem that way in question period.  Pollivere turns Trudeau into a babbling monkey.

You think QP, a performance where politicians read scripted questions prepared by staffers, is indicative of intellectual prowess? Good lord you’re an easy mark.

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« Reply #352 on: August 05, 2022, 12:53:03 pm »
You think QP, a performance where politicians read scripted questions prepared by staffers, is indicative of intellectual prowess? Good lord you’re an easy mark.
Because after the initial questions, it's not scripted.  Once again though, a Trudeau supporter calling somebody else out for scripted questions is hilarious.

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« Reply #353 on: August 05, 2022, 01:21:18 pm »
I don't see any "Trudeau supporters" other than Waldo  I just see people criticizing him for what he actually does and other people criticizing him for imaginary things they read in Facebook memes.
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« Reply #354 on: August 06, 2022, 01:58:37 am »
I don't see any "Trudeau supporters" other than Waldo

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« Reply #355 on: August 09, 2022, 09:53:55 am »
Because after the initial questions, it's not scripted.

LOL yes it is.

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Once again though, a Trudeau supporter calling somebody else out for scripted questions is hilarious.

Your reading comprehension is, as always, below toddler level. I'm not calling out anyone for scripted questions, I'm laughing at you for being so credulous as to think PP's QP performances are in any way indicative of his intellect.

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« Reply #357 on: August 13, 2022, 04:04:57 am »
Former B.C. premier Christy Clark endorses Jean Charest in Tory race --- Clark says federal Tories need to stick closer to the political centre

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Former British Columbia premier Christy Clark endorsed Jean Charest on Wednesday to be the next leader of the federal Conservatives, at a time when she says the party is racing to the extremes.
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Clark's comment followed an impassioned speech she delivered in Edmonton to a room of conservatives gathered to discuss the need for the federal party to stick closer to the political centre.

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« Reply #358 on: August 14, 2022, 12:38:24 pm »
Andrew Coyne G&M Aug 12: Where would Poilievre take the Conservatives? Not to the far right, but the far out

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Mr. Poilievre is not properly understood as an ideological phenomenon. There is no such thing as Poilievrism. Nothing in his long career in politics, or in this campaign, suggests anything in the way of a coherent philosophy of government. Neither is that the basis of his appeal.

He made his name, after all, as Stephen Harper’s most eager attack dog, the backbencher willing to say and do whatever his master ordered, no matter how nasty. His most notable achievement, in his brief time as a junior cabinet minister, was the sinisterly misnamed Fair Elections Act. Guided by no apparent principle but a desire to tilt the electoral odds in the Tories’ favour, it caused a massive political firestorm and had to be substantially redrafted.

His campaign for leader has been singularly lacking in concrete policy proposals, beyond a vague promise to “give you back control of your life” – which turns out to mean abolishing COVID-19 vaccine mandates and little else – and hostility to various unnamed “gatekeepers.” Oh, and he’d “fire” the Bank of Canada governor, though that is not actually something a prime minister has the power to do.

What has Mr. Poilievre spent the current campaign talking about? The benefits of crypto currencies as a way of “opting out” of inflation; the heroism of the convoyards who took over downtown Ottawa earlier this year; accusations that the government is “spying on you everywhere” (a consultant’s report used anonymized cellphone data to track population movements); the evils of the World Economic Forum.

What, specifically, has he promised to do in government? He’d make federal infrastructure grants to cities conditional on approving new housing development. He’d withhold a part of federal research grants from universities that did not do enough to protect free speech on campus. He’d repeal Bill C-11, Liberal legislation that would regulate online streaming services like broadcasters. He’d invoke the notwithstanding clause to restore consecutive sentences for mass murderers. That’s about it.

Whether or not Mr. Poilievre is personally an extremist, his campaign is aimed squarely at attracting support from extremists. His followers do not support him because of what he is for, or what he would do in government. They only know what, and who, he is against, and – perhaps even more important – who is against him.

It would not matter to them if, on taking power, he pursued policies that were diametrically opposed to those few he has proposed as a candidate – any more than they were upset by Mr. Harper’s policy reversals. It isn’t about policy, for them or for him. It’s about attitude. It’s about taking the fight to the enemy.

Could he pivot, then, after the leadership race? In a sense, yes, and in a sense, no. I can imagine him adopting virtually any policy as leader if he thought it expedient. But that’s not really a pivot: That would require some initial position to pivot from. On the other hand, it’s harder to pivot from the sorts of associations he has made along the way. How do you “pivot” from hanging out with hostage-takers and amping conspiracy theorists?

Poor judgment, moral recklessness, bottomless opportunism: These aren’t policy positions, something you can moderate or explain away or wriggle out of. They’re attributes. They stick. That is increasingly the dividing line in American politics – not left versus right, but character and judgment versus their opposites. The party that is about to elect Mr. Poilievre – the party that, with the help of hundreds of thousands of new recruits, he has done much to create – looks likely to entrench the same cleavage in Canada.

This may be, in the end, where he would take the Conservative Party: not far right, but far out.


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« Reply #359 on: August 15, 2022, 11:26:52 am »
Andrew Coyne G&M Aug 12: Where would Poilievre take the Conservatives? Not to the far right, but the far out


David Moscrop WAPO Aug 8: It’s Poilievre’s Conservative Party. That’s bad news for Canada.

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For months, Pierre Poilievre has led the pack, a clear front-runner in a contest that will shape the future of the party. Right now, that future looks to be a toxic, right-wing populist libertarian turn — a nasty turn we’ve seen before around the world.

In late July, former Conservative prime minister Stephen Harper endorsed Poilievre. The nod wasn’t unexpected. It has long been assumed that Harper supported his former cabinet minister, just as it has long been known that Harper wasn’t the biggest fan of Poilievre’s principal rival, Jean Charest. The endorsement was a rubber stamp on top of a foregone conclusion. It made Poilievre the unity candidate — which is to say, it called for the ideological diversity of the party to be subsumed under Poilievre’s libertarian conservatism served with a dollop of populist pastiche. It’s Poilievre’s party now. That’s bad news for conservatives and the country.

The front-runner is also fond of torqued attacks against the Bank of Canada, journalists, the World Economic Forum and anyone who might plausibly be defined as a “gatekeeper.” His anti-elite, anti-establishment bit belies the fact he’s a career politician and former cabinet minister. He’s establishment all the way down. He’s a phony loudmouth who has been walking the halls of Parliament since 2004, when he was in his 20s.

With all those years in Parliament, you’d think he’d know what he’s talking about, but he doesn’t. He has made the federal budget a crusade: shrinking the deficit and debt, railing against Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and the Bank of Canada’s “money printing” and inflation, and supporting a batty policy to force his ministers to cut a dollar of spending for each new dollar they wish to spend, as if government finance and personal finance are the same thing. It turns out, contrary to Poilievre’s lazy, rehashed-Thatcherist fever dream, that Canada is in healthy and sustainable fiscal shape. Inflation is a problem, a serious one, but it’s not caused by what Poilievre thinks it is, and it won’t be solved by his unserious, debate-club ideas.

While it’s too late to prevent Poilievre’s ascendancy to leader of the Conservative Party, it isn’t too late to resist him becoming prime minister. The Liberals, New Democrats and Greens ought to make it a priority to ensure he never forms a government. So should sensible Conservatives. Of course, the people of Canada must do the same. The problems Canada and the world face are far too great to leave to a right-wing, doctrinaire, stuffed-shirt politician of such little distinction, capacity or imagination.