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Offline Omni

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« Reply #60 on: March 18, 2017, 03:06:59 pm »
When they abandon their backward old-country cultural beliefs let me know.
Cyber just did, you simply chose to ignore it because it doesn't fit your personal narrative.

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« Reply #61 on: March 19, 2017, 11:03:42 am »
The problem is where we are bringing in so many people who do not feel those ties or tolerance, who in fact, openly and defiantly reject them on favour of the values of their old countries, which are tightly bound up with their religion.

What would immigrants have to do in order for you to be certain they were loyal and committed to Canada?   Would you have Chinese only speak English, and stop celebrating the Chinese New Year?   Would you have Sikhs stop wearing turbans, and Hindus stop attending Mandirs?  Should none of us observe St Paddy's day along with our Irish immigrants, or Robby Burns Day with our Scottish-Canadians?   Should all Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus be forced to dress entirely in Western attire?  Just what would make immigrants acceptable to you?

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« Reply #62 on: March 19, 2017, 11:26:24 am »
What would immigrants have to do in order for you to be certain they were loyal and committed to Canada?   Would you have Chinese only speak English, and stop celebrating the Chinese New Year?   Would you have Sikhs stop wearing turbans, and Hindus stop attending Mandirs?  Should none of us observe St Paddy's day along with our Irish immigrants, or Robby Burns Day with our Scottish-Canadians?   Should all Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus be forced to dress entirely in Western attire?  Just what would make immigrants acceptable to you?

I wouldn't let the Irish or the Scottish in at all!  We don't, do we?
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« Reply #63 on: March 19, 2017, 11:38:48 am »
I wouldn't let the Irish or the Scottish in at all!  We don't, do we?

Perhaps the cultural traditions of Haggis and believing in faeries ought to have given us pause ...


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« Reply #64 on: March 19, 2017, 03:11:49 pm »
What would immigrants have to do in order for you to be certain they were loyal and committed to Canada?

Adapt to our culture and values and put aside their own. That includes, most visibly, not hiding women under bedsheets and letting them out of the house, even when there are men around not in their families. Recognizing that women don't hide their faces in Canada, nor even their hair, and stop assuming that Canadians are less moral than you are because they don't have your extreme sexual hangups.

Stop hating Jews. That would be good, too.
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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #65 on: March 19, 2017, 04:45:53 pm »
All of the things that you are against are protected by the very Canadian values you claim to be defending.

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« Reply #66 on: March 19, 2017, 05:28:35 pm »
All of the things that you are against are protected by the very Canadian values you claim to be defending.

Crying shame.  I guess we need a new set of values.
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« Reply #67 on: March 19, 2017, 07:19:23 pm »
Crying shame.  I guess we need a new set of values.

Freedom or religion, freedom of thought, and freedom of expression?  Really?

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« Reply #68 on: March 19, 2017, 07:25:58 pm »
Adapt to our culture and values and put aside their own. That includes, most visibly, not hiding women under bedsheets and letting them out of the house, even when there are men around not in their families. Recognizing that women don't hide their faces in Canada, nor even their hair, and stop assuming that Canadians are less moral than you are because they don't have your extreme sexual hangups.

Stop hating Jews. That would be good, too.

So the only immigrant with whom you have a problem are women who wear burkas or niqabs?   

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« Reply #69 on: March 19, 2017, 07:52:10 pm »
Freedom or religion, freedom of thought, and freedom of expression?  Really?

When freedom  of religion means denying freedom of thought and freedom of expression, I'm against that one.  Really.  Not to mention the hiding women under bedsheets value.
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« Reply #70 on: March 19, 2017, 07:54:06 pm »
So the only immigrant with whom you have a problem are women who wear burkas or niqabs?

Not to speak for him, but it seems to me he's mainly against those who would make them.  Are you not?
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« Reply #71 on: March 19, 2017, 09:04:49 pm »
When freedom  of religion means denying freedom of thought and freedom of expression, I'm against that one.  Really.  Not to mention the hiding women under bedsheets value.

In theory, I see what you're saying.  In theory, I also see that disallowing such practices is just as oppressive.

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« Reply #72 on: March 19, 2017, 09:23:43 pm »
When freedom  of religion means denying freedom of thought and freedom of expression, I'm against that one.  Really.  Not to mention the hiding women under bedsheets value.

 It's easy for those outside the religion to look at those within and make judgements about what they should or should not think, or decide for them how much freedom they don't have.   But as long as they are not breaking any laws, we outside do  not have the right to impose upon them our beliefs what constitutes their freedom of thought or expression.    The best we can do is provide information and resources should they need it.

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« Reply #73 on: March 19, 2017, 09:57:06 pm »
It's easy for those outside the religion to look at those within and make judgements about what they should or should not think, or decide for them how much freedom they don't have.   But as long as they are not breaking any laws, we outside do  not have the right to impose upon them our beliefs what constitutes their freedom of thought or expression.    The best we can do is provide information and resources should they need it.

It sure is easy. I do it all the time.

Just tell them they can't come in unless they change completely. Just let their wives and kids in. 
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« Reply #74 on: March 19, 2017, 09:58:24 pm »
It sure is easy. I do it all the time.

Just tell them they can't come in unless they change completely. Just let their wives and kids in.

How does that work?  Do we organize thought police?