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Offline ?Impact

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« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2017, 08:37:37 pm »
You didn't address my point.

Once we accept someone as an immigrant we're pretty much stuck with them. It's virtually impossible to get rid of them. That definitely merits an in-depth interview to see what kind of person they are.

So how do we want to change the immigration process, and what will it cost? Where are they interviewed, and by who? How long are these interviews, how do we maintain standards in the interview process, and how do we train the interviewers? All I am doing is asking for a fully thought out process, not just whining and stirring up emotions to get votes.

You have been using the analogy of interviews by a hiring manager and those in the department for a new candidate, and I don't see any possible comparison to that at all. The only kind of interview we could do is what a human resource department does, and with the experience you relate answer me how effective the HR interview is?

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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2017, 02:42:04 pm »
That's right.  Leitch attempts to make it sound like no one even talks to them.

Who talks to them?

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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2017, 02:48:49 pm »
So how do we want to change the immigration process, and what will it cost? Where are they interviewed, and by who? How long are these interviews, how do we maintain standards in the interview process, and how do we train the interviewers? All I am doing is asking for a fully thought out process, not just whining and stirring up emotions to get votes.

The Americans seem to have no problem figuring all this out. And I remind you that this used to be the process. It was changed to save money.

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You have been using the analogy of interviews by a hiring manager and those in the department for a new candidate, and I don't see any possible comparison to that at all.

Why? Both seek to find people with the right attitude to succeed in your organization, who will get along with other employees, be mature, responsible and self motivated.

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The only kind of interview we could do is what a human resource department does, and with the experience you relate answer me how effective the HR interview is?

I'll tell you this, we had the best group I ever worked with. We got along like family. We not only had fun at work but helped each other and were much more successful in actually processing the work than other places I've worked at. This despite it being a clerical unit which necessarily had a high turnover (people were often promoted upward and onward from it).

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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2017, 03:15:00 pm »
Who talks to them?

Border services officers - when they enter Canada.

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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2017, 04:18:18 pm »
Border services officers - when they enter Canada.

You mean like when they talk to me when I enter Canada, or say, a tourist from Finland?
You realize they already have their papers, by then, right?

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« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2017, 04:35:50 pm »
You mean like when they talk to me when I enter Canada, or say, a tourist from Finland?
You realize they already have their papers, by then, right?
Yes, but they still will send you to secondary screening. I have been sent to secondary screen twice on returning to Canada. Once back in the good old days, when the only identification I had on me was a credit card. The joke back then is if you could give the phone number to Pizza-Pizza then you were let in (no, that is not what they asked me but anyway it was only a couple of minutes and mostly for them to have the opportunity to chastise me and say I should really carry an ID). The other time was when I was returning from living abroad and had goods being shipped back separately (a little longer that time, I had detailed list already so they read through it and signed it off and I was on my way - when I picked up the goods at the customs warehouse a few weeks later it was also a quick process).

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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #36 on: March 14, 2017, 11:36:28 am »
You mean like when they talk to me when I enter Canada, or say, a tourist from Finland?
You realize they already have their papers, by then, right?

Entry to Canada is always at the discretion of the officer, no matter what documentation you may have.

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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2017, 02:20:42 pm »
Entry to Canada is always at the discretion of the officer, no matter what documentation you may have.
Except for a passport. They can't deny a Canadian citizen entry.

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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2017, 03:23:55 pm »
Except for a passport. They can't deny a Canadian citizen entry.

That's true - they can't deny entry to Canadians.  They can arrest them though.

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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2017, 03:46:53 pm »
Entry to Canada is always at the discretion of the officer, no matter what documentation you may have.

It's still completely irrelevant to the discussion. Potential immigrants send in paperwork and get approved by a harried clerk, and never have to interview an immigration officer. An interview with border services as they enter is beside the point. Border Services isn't checking into what their views or politics are. And Canadians want such things checked and validated. Canadians want to screen potential immigrants before they're accepted.

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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2017, 03:55:41 pm »
Canadians who think they want a test on someone's political or spiritual views don't understand the Constitution or actual Canadian values. 
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« Reply #41 on: March 15, 2017, 04:13:24 pm »
It's still completely irrelevant to the discussion. Potential immigrants send in paperwork and get approved by a harried clerk, and never have to interview an immigration officer. An interview with border services as they enter is beside the point. Border Services isn't checking into what their views or politics are. And Canadians want such things checked and validated. Canadians want to screen potential immigrants before they're accepted.
Perhaps if you did a little reading on it you'd find out you are wrong on the interview comment. At least the Canadian government says you are.

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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2017, 04:58:54 pm »
Perhaps if you did a little reading on it you'd find out you are wrong on the interview comment. At least the Canadian government says you are.

I did do a little reading on it. Apparently the senate did too, which is why they recommended interviews.

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« Reply #43 on: March 15, 2017, 04:59:35 pm »
Canadians who think they want a test on someone's political or spiritual views don't understand the Constitution or actual Canadian values.

So you're saying three quarters of Canadians don't understand Canadian values? Are you open to the possibility YOU don't understand Canadian values? Maybe you're spending too much time watching CBC.

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« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2017, 05:06:41 pm »
I did do a little reading on it. Apparently the senate did too, which is why they recommended interviews.
I wonder why the senate would waste time recommending things that already are in place?