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Offline ?Impact

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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2017, 11:35:14 am »
She's an MD, and yet she can't cure her own stupidity....
What is it with MD's and stupidity? Listen to Ben Carson the other day in his HUD speech, the entire speech.

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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2017, 02:57:41 pm »
You can't get hired for a job at McDonalds without a face to face interview with the manager. But why? Aren't all the answers obvious!? What good are interviews!? Why do all employers seem to think they're of any value!? Couldn't they save money by simply hiring whoever looked most qualified on paper?

Nobody ever answers these questions. They simply mock the very idea that you can, in an interview, ask leading questions which guide applicants into revealing more about themselves than they would otherwise want to reveal.

How does the male applicant respond to a female questioner? Does he flinch at the thought of shaking hands? Does he refuse to meet her eyes? Suppose there are a pair of screeners in the room? Does he ignore the female and always look to the male to answer? Would a devout Muslim (or Christian for that matter) openly repudiate aspects of his or her religion? I mean, some of these people have been willing to die, burned at the stake or impaled or beheaded in the past, rather than repudiate their religion.  Yet everyone assumes that a devout Muslim would laugh and jeer at some aspect of Islamic law as if it were of no consequence.

"The majority of the population of Canada is Christian, and most of its values are based on that. Are you aware of that?"
What's in his eyes when you say this? What's in his voice when he replies?
"It might be that your children become attracted to aspects of Canadian culture which is different from Indian/Iranian/Somalian/Pakistani culture. Do you think you might have difficulty accepting this? For example, what if your daughter wanted to wear tight jeans like some Canadian teenage girls?"
How does he respond to that?
"What do you think of homosexuals?"
What does he look like when you ask that?
Quote the passage in the Koran which calls for homosexuals to be buried by having a wall pushed on them. Ask his opinion of that passage.

This really isn't as impossible as you people seem to be making it out.


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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2017, 03:26:28 pm »
A human can read your expressions as you talk. A human can ask follow-up questions. I mean, everybody knows the right and wrong things to say to a border agent too, yet a surprising number of people screw up.

A human is also prone to prejudice and bias, that's why a jury has more than one person.

Hey, I just solved the problem - a whole panel of interviewers with a vote afterwards.  And a panel of experts to put together a each panel.

Imagine the job-creation possibilities!  Plus, we could probably deport a good portion of CPC supporters!

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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2017, 03:41:02 pm »
What is it with MD's and stupidity? Listen to Ben Carson the other day in his HUD speech, the entire speech.
Yes his comments equating immigration and slavery certainly captured my attention. i guess a lesson here might be to keep MD's away from your immigration policy.

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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2017, 10:57:37 pm »
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Does he ignore the female and always look to the male to answer?

That's been my experience in almost any group in which there are both men and women.    So ... you'll have to scratch that one.

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Hey, I just solved the problem - a whole panel of interviewers with a vote afterwards.  And a panel of experts to put together a each panel.

Imagine the job-creation possibilities!  Plus, we could probably deport a good portion of CPC supporters!

Problem solved!    :D



Discussion is impossible with someone who claims not to seek the truth, but already to possess it.

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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2017, 08:46:47 am »
To be clear, short of having a NEXUS card (and even that is changing), no one gets in to Canada without talking face to face with a border services officer.

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« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2017, 09:57:25 am »
They simply mock the very idea that you can, in an interview, ask leading questions which guide applicants into revealing more about themselves than they would otherwise want to reveal.

I have consistently supported investing more resources into the whole immigration process. That however is not what we get from Leitch and friends, she is about "Canadian Values" and some dumb screening that will accomplish squat. Those are simple minded points designed to stir up emotions and not deal with the real issues. She is out to get votes, not address immigration.

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« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2017, 03:16:47 pm »
I assume that nobody objects to the questions themselves, and are laughing because the answers are patently obvious.
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I absolutely disagree with the questions. They're predicated on xenophobic and frankly insulting assumptions. How are you going to whine about foreigners taking all the "good jobs" in one breath then imply that they're lazy free-loaders who expect things to be handed to them?

She should stick to medicine and leave the social science to social scientists. Maybe shut up and listen to the experts in those fields instead of being a fear-mongering idiot.

Offline SirJohn

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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2017, 03:42:22 pm »
I have consistently supported investing more resources into the whole immigration process. That however is not what we get from Leitch and friends, she is about "Canadian Values" and some dumb screening that will accomplish squat. Those are simple minded points designed to stir up emotions and not deal with the real issues. She is out to get votes, not address immigration.

You didn't address my point. Why can you not get a job at McDonalds without an interview? Why should we, in effect 'hire' someone we can't fire no matter what, without at least giving them an interview? Do you think job interviews are similarly pointless? The federal government certainly believes in them. Every process I've ever been through had an interview, usually before a panel. Then if you got into the pool there'd be another interview with the hiring manager. I've been on those panels. I've been the hiring manager. What was I looking for as a hiring manager? I knew every person in the pool had already been deemed to be qualified to do the job. I wanted to know what kind of a person they were, to try and decide if they had drive and motivation, if they would fit in with the group, if they were open minded and would do what needed to be done without someone looking over their shoulders all the time. Were the interviews useless? Nope. I considered them a very valuable tool in deciding which of the people in the pool to bring into our group.

Once we accept someone as an immigrant we're pretty much stuck with them. It's virtually impossible to get rid of them. That definitely merits an in-depth interview to see what kind of person they are.

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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2017, 03:50:34 pm »
You want every last immigrant to be personally interviewed? Do you know how expensive that process would be? They interview ones that are flagged for concerns. That's enough, imo. You're not going to make the country any safer by interviewing everyone, considering crime amongst immigrants is lower than the native-born population anyway. What's the purpose? To test their language skills? That's already done in the first phase before they even move onto the security screening and it's done without an interview. Interviewing everyone is way too expensive for the returns to security or even linguistic competence.

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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2017, 05:01:28 pm »
And again - no one gets into Canada without seeing a CBSA officer face to face.

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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2017, 06:18:06 pm »
And again - no one gets into Canada without seeing a CBSA officer face to face.

Yeah, sure, at the airport, you mean, when they arrive? Because the senate panel was pretty clear that only a small fraction of potential immigrants ever get a face to face interview.

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« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2017, 06:18:32 pm »
You want every last immigrant to be personally interviewed?

I'm not sure how many different ways I can say this, but YES.

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Do you know how expensive that process would be?

Aren't you that guy who wants us to honor native treaties regardless of cost?

The cost of interviewing them would be more than offset by having less failed immigrants and more successful ones.

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« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2017, 07:02:58 pm »

The cost of interviewing them would be more than offset by having less failed immigrants and more successful ones.
Pure speculation of course. Canadian immigrants are already quite successful w/o this silly questionnaire. And the questions so far proposed by Leitch would be a waste of time.

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Re: On Canadian Values
« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2017, 07:43:53 pm »
Yeah, sure, at the airport, you mean, when they arrive?

That's right.  Leitch attempts to make it sound like no one even talks to them.