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Offline SirJohn

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« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2017, 11:36:28 am »
Well, reading the facts I know that there is serious doubt around Khadr's guilt,

None whatsoever, actually. He is proven guilty simply by being there.
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« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2017, 11:38:36 am »
Also, I'd just like to remind everyone to refrain from insulting politicians or each other.  Other than saying something that violates the law, anything else is fair game.

We can't insult politicians? Why not? They insult us constantly. I can't talk about Trump without insulting him! And I'm not much fonder of the shiny pony.
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« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2017, 12:48:52 pm »
Why couldn't he "fight it - even a little"?

WHat was there to fight?  Canada violated his rights.  End of story.

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« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2017, 01:42:42 pm »
Thanks for the thinly veiled insult.  I have "actually read the facts".  My point is about the process of how this went down.  Trudeau could've fought this - even a little.  Just out of decency and respect for the military who are asked to go fight in Afghanistan.  Sure, the government may lose the court battle, but the military would at least know that Trudeau has their back - that in itself is worth $10Mil.  How about allowing the widow a fighting chance to get some of that money owed to her?  No, the money will instead go towards lawyers and terrorism - how nice of Trudeau to support terrorism.  Trudeau, cut a secret back room deal to ensure that Khadr had time to hide the cash.  My opinion of Trudeau is worse than ever.  He is either a sympathizer or a coward.

What's the saying - It's better to die standing, than live on your knees.

I believe Khadr's lawyer commenced claims against the Canadian government shortly after the SCC determined that the Canadian government failed its duty towards Khadr. That was quite a while ago.  I suggest that the Canadian  government didn't in fact roll over because it has taken from then to now to come to an agreement.
  Also, the Widow Spears successfully pursued claims against Khadr in a civil case regarding wrongful death of her husband. She did not pursue claims against the Canadian government. The Canadian government does not owe Mrs Spears a dime.   Khadr pursued his claim against the Canadian government and the Canadian government settled his claim by cashing out.  There is no obligation for the Canadian government to pay Mrs Spears. The money awarded Mrs. Spears is owed by Khadr so she can now pursue Mr.Khadr for the money she is owed.
  And what has the Canadian governments failure towards Khadr have to do with Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan?
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« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2017, 06:22:16 pm »
WHat was there to fight?  Canada violated his rights.  End of story.

You people do know the meaning of the word "settlement"...right?  Yes, the court said that his rights were violated, but what do mean end of story? that cleary was not the "end of story".  The courts never awarded anything. 

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« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2017, 09:30:20 pm »
You people do know the meaning of the word "settlement"...right?  Yes, the court said that his rights were violated, but what do mean end of story? that cleary was not the "end of story".  The courts never awarded anything.

The precedent was set with Maher Arar.

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« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2017, 11:31:42 pm »
You people do know the meaning of the word "settlement"...right?  Yes, the court said that his rights were violated, but what do mean end of story? that cleary was not the "end of story".  The courts never awarded anything.

I'm curious: how much do you think will be saved by not settling?

Give us your number: court award, additional legal costs on the government side, additional legal costs that you know would be awarded for Khadr's side.

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« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2017, 11:35:37 pm »
The precedent was set with Maher Arar.

It's not the same situation - at all.  And, you're trying to justify settling a law suit brought on by a terrorist.  Next, you'll be comparing Khadr to David Milgaard.

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« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2017, 11:40:41 pm »
I'm curious: how much do you think will be saved by not settling?

Give us your number: court award, additional legal costs on the government side, additional legal costs that you know would be awarded for Khadr's side.

I think by fighting the court case, I think the pride of the military will be saved, the relationship with the USA will be saved and who knows, maybe Trudeau's job would be saved.  71% of Canada is against this "settlement", I wouldn't redecorate the new home if I were Trudeau.

PS - If you talking about money, $20mil to fight this case is better money spent than $10.5mil to settle.

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« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2017, 12:01:55 am »
So a pyrrhic victory that is all about trying to save face.

I'd rather save the dough, admit to violations of citizen rights, accept accountability, and move on.
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« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2017, 12:21:32 am »
So a pyrrhic victory that is all about trying to save face.

I'd rather save the dough, admit to violations of citizen rights, accept accountability, and move on.

Do you think Trudeau gives a crap about spending money.  He can throw $10mil down the toilet at any given special interest group before breakfast.

The court didn't order any payout and we don't know if they ever would.  Maybe they'd impose a $1.00 award or a $1million award - we don't know.  Just because Khadr wanted $20Million, we are supposed to believe, and I guess a few of you do, that we are getting a deal.

If the court wants to side with Khadr, I would make sure that it was the court that imposed the amount awarded.  Make the courts be accountable for their decisions.  Trudeau would at least have that to stand on.

As it is, Trudeau runs away so he doesn't have to answer questions, while his government publically kisses the ass of a killer terrorist. 

Come next election, I wouldn't bet a bucket of **** on Trudeau.

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« Reply #41 on: July 11, 2017, 12:49:43 am »
Had Harper defended a Canadian citizen with as much zeal as he defended his boutique tax cuts maybe I would give credence to the crap you spew.

This is all on Harper who, unlike counterparts in Australia, UK, France, Germany, etc could not be bothered to apply Cdn rights to defend a citizen from the tyranny of US military "law."

Harper should have defended Canadian citizenship against US laws which devalued our rights even while their own system was found to be contrary to the Geneva Convention. 

Shameful episode in our history thanks to appallingly weak leadership from the PMO. 

Trudeau can at least put this blunder behind us for a small cost.
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« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2017, 01:09:37 am »
Had Harper defended a Canadian citizen with as much zeal as he defended his boutique tax cuts maybe I would give credence to the crap you spew.

This is all on Harper who, unlike counterparts in Australia, UK, France, Germany, etc could not be bothered to apply Cdn rights to defend a citizen from the tyranny of US military "law."

Harper should have defended Canadian citizenship against US laws which devalued our rights even while their own system was found to be contrary to the Geneva Convention. 

Shameful episode in our history thanks to appallingly weak leadership from the PMO. 

Trudeau can at least put this blunder behind us for a small cost.

I don't see that happening anytime soon, not before the next election anyway.

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Re: Omar Khadr Settlement Rumour
« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2017, 01:15:23 am »
It's not the same situation - at all.

It is exactly the same situation.  Leaving aside the fact that Khadr is probably innocent (a real court would have never even seen the case brought to trial given contradictory evidence.  A real court would also never have accepted the 'confession' given over a decade later under threat of continued torture and indefinite imprisonment) because it's irrelevant here, we are left with Canada violating his rights.  Canada violated Maher Arar's rights in a very similar way, and gave him a very similar reparation payment and apology.  Australia and the UK have given reparation payments to many of their citizens who were prisoners at Guantanamo as well.  It's not about the facts of the Khadr case as it relates to the crime that he was 'convicted' of committing, but the facts surrounding the breach of Charter rights by the Government of Canada.  Anything else is emotional garbage.

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Re: Omar Khadr Settlement Rumour
« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2017, 01:22:26 am »
No one who would vote against Trudeau would change their mind anyway: so nothing to lose but clearing it up now.

And anyone who will vote for Trudeau either don't care or will forget about it in 4 weeks and ponder more meaningful things like healthcare, income taxes, infrastructure, etc....

Giving $10.5 million to a former child "soldier" who underwent torture and lacked due process, even from his own country who could have applied due process and perhaps could have convicted him of treason, is pretty embarassing for the Liberals and Conservatives.

Why either would want this to be in the spotlight is beyond me as no one has any dignity here: Martin's Liberals failed when Canadians interrogated him which was a violation of his rights and then Harper repeatedly failed by not getting him back into Canada.

Pity, would like to see Martin and Harper undergo some torture and see how they like it. Poetic justice.

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