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Omar Khadr Settlement Rumour
« on: July 04, 2017, 10:09:13 pm »
Twitter and the media is abuzz with rumours of the Omar Khadr settlement and apology.   
While I personally don't feel that he wins human of the year award, I think that this settlement is deserved.  Several court judgments, including 3 by the SCOC went in his favour.  His rights were violated, and Canada was complicit. 

The debate today seems to be filled with an absence of facts from those against the settlement.  Emotion has no place in arguments of legal responsibility.  Someone on my Facebook feed posted the story and said what a sad day it was for Canada.  I responded by laying out the argument of a violation of rights, torture, a coerced confession, and very circumstantial evidence.  They responded by saying the best outcome would have been Khadr's death. 

It's hard to have a discussion with an irrational emotion.

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Re: Omar Khadr Settlement Rumour
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2017, 11:51:26 pm »
Only those who can ignore facts and get all emotional and angry about brow-skinned people could get upset about this.  His rights were violated by the Canadian gov't.   Unfortunate, but the right thing to do, based on the fact that the gov't was complicit in violating his rights.

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Re: Omar Khadr Settlement Rumour
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2017, 10:21:26 am »
The thing that blows my mind is a lot of "conservatives" on message boards and social media blaming Trudeau for "paying a terrorist." They don't even realize that Trudeau has literally ZERO control over the decision. This was the Supreme Court's ruling and the majority of justices on the bench there were appointed by Stephen Harper.

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Re: Omar Khadr Settlement Rumour
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2017, 10:36:11 am »
The thing that blows my mind is a lot of "conservatives" on message boards and social media blaming Trudeau for "paying a terrorist." They don't even realize that Trudeau has literally ZERO control over the decision. This was the Supreme Court's ruling and the majority of justices on the bench there were appointed by Stephen Harper.

Well, they all hate Trudeau so no surprise he can do no good in their eyes.  But in their defense, the settlement amount would have been negotiated by his government.

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Re: Omar Khadr Settlement Rumour
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2017, 03:19:34 pm »
Well, they all hate Trudeau so no surprise he can do no good in their eyes.  But in their defense, the settlement amount would have been negotiated by his government.

The settlement is based on precedent that was set by Harper with Maher Arar.

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Re: Omar Khadr Settlement Rumour
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2017, 12:16:54 pm »
The settlement is based on precedent that was set by Harper with Maher Arar.
Any relation to Bill Maher?

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Re: Omar Khadr Settlement Rumour
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2017, 03:43:54 pm »
Any relation to Bill Maher?

Probably not - I've seen two different spellings and I wasn't sure of the correct one.

Anyway, this:

http://www.nationalobserver.com/2017/07/07/opinion/what-if-omar-khadr-isnt-guilty

..and this:

https://twitter.com/shephardm/status/883119234422800386

are really things that the average person need to read.

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Re: Omar Khadr Settlement Rumour
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2017, 04:46:52 pm »
That national Observer article is right on the money. 

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Re: Omar Khadr Settlement Rumour
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2017, 10:25:18 pm »
The thing that blows my mind is a lot of "conservatives" on message boards and social media blaming Trudeau for "paying a terrorist." They don't even realize that Trudeau has literally ZERO control over the decision. This was the Supreme Court's ruling and the majority of justices on the bench there were appointed by Stephen Harper.

That's not true at all!

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Re: Omar Khadr Settlement Rumour
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2017, 11:00:08 pm »
That's not true at all!

The court ruled that Khadr's rights were violated in a similar manner to the was that Maher Arar's rights were violated.  Adjusted for inflation, they were awarded the exact same thing.  It seems completely fair.

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Re: Omar Khadr Settlement Rumour
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2017, 01:14:30 am »
The court ruled that Khadr's rights were violated in a similar manner to the was that Maher Arar's rights were violated.  Adjusted for inflation, they were awarded the exact same thing.  It seems completely fair.

The court didn't award anything.  This was Trudeau's decision to pay out...and kiss his ass too.  Maybe the courts would've awarded him $10M, but Trudeau jumped in and made a backroom deal, probably in part to shake off the American widow who also has a judgemnet against Khadr. 
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Re: Omar Khadr Settlement Rumour
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2017, 09:24:01 am »
If you actually read the facts of the situation (the reason for the payout being the violation of rights by Canada) and also understand the facts around the actual accusations and what happened, you realize that Trudeau really isn't a piece of **** for this.  Canada violated his rights in a similar way to others who have received similar payouts in the past.

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Re: Omar Khadr Settlement Rumour
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2017, 01:40:24 pm »
Sorry - did Trudeau or his government really negotiate this ?

Comments I saw online said this was done through arbitration.

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Re: Omar Khadr Settlement Rumour
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2017, 04:30:13 pm »
Sorry - did Trudeau or his government really negotiate this ?

Comments I saw online said this was done through arbitration.

Regardless, it would have been signed off by the highest levels of government.  This is too political to not have gone to the PMO.

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Re: Omar Khadr Settlement Rumour
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2017, 04:42:24 pm »
If you actually read the facts of the situation (the reason for the payout being the violation of rights by Canada) and also understand the facts around the actual accusations and what happened, you realize that Trudeau really isn't a piece of **** for this.  Canada violated his rights in a similar way to others who have received similar payouts in the past.

Thanks for the thinly veiled insult.  I have "actually read the facts".  My point is about the process of how this went down.  Trudeau could've fought this - even a little.  Just out of decency and respect for the military who are asked to go fight in Afghanistan.  Sure, the government may lose the court battle, but the military would at least know that Trudeau has their back - that in itself is worth $10Mil.  How about allowing the widow a fighting chance to get some of that money owed to her?  No, the money will instead go towards lawyers and terrorism - how nice of Trudeau to support terrorism.  Trudeau, cut a secret back room deal to ensure that Khadr had time to hide the cash.  My opinion of Trudeau is worse than ever.  He is either a sympathizer or a coward.

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