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Offline waldo

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no - not a strawman... at all! If you're going to forevah whine about Electoral Reform, than you should be ready to acknowledge... accept... that in all the related review processes, no clear choice emerged for an alternative system of voting. What did become clear is the problem that can occur with proportional representation and the negative influence that fringe parties can hold over a functioning government!

surely you're not one of those wanting change just for the sake of change - surely!

Quote from: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau
I will not move towards any form of proportional representation, but if people want to talk about a different system that might benefit Canadians, like a preferential ballot, I'd be open to that

Bull, he promised electoral reform legislation within 18 months of forming government.

no public consensus on an alternate presented itself... polls consistently showed that a majority of those polled did not want to change the electoral system. Pointedly, also consistently from the point the campaign suggestion was made, PM Trudeau repeatedly stated he did not favour going directly to the people (as in a referendum approach to determine an alternative). The waldo's recall has you, member wilber, repeatedly touting the B.C. electoral referendums... that is until the waldo showcased just what a sham they were... related posts can certainly be replayed if you'd like to dance again!

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Offline waldo

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FFS member wilber! How many times does this need to be beat-back? That so-called ad never ran... it was never approved to run. It was put up on the Liberal Party website by a staffer for all of 15 minutes or so - and then pulled at the request of party leader Martin after he saw it.

quit making shyte up, hey!

Guess that's why it was all over the media. Good way to get free advertising.

again, it was not a formal ad and never played anywhere. Of course some intrepid weasel captured it even in the minimal time it actually existed on the party website before being taken down... and since that time (now some 15 years later), misinforming Conservative supporting types... like you member wilber... keep plying this nonsense, over and over and over again! Get a grip hey!

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no public consensus on an alternate presented itself... polls consistently showed that a majority of those polled did not want to change the electoral system. Pointedly, also consistently from the point the campaign suggestion was made, PM Trudeau repeatedly stated he did not favour going directly to the people (as in a referendum approach to determine an alternative). The waldo's recall has you, member wilber, repeatedly touting the B.C. electoral referendums... that is until the waldo showcased just what a sham they were... related posts can certainly be replayed if you'd like to dance again!

Trudeau never put any options to the public. When the opposition wouldn't go for his ranked ballot system, he used it as an excuse to back away entirely.

If a twice elected MP and son of one of the longest serving prime ministers doesn't understand the implications of any proportional or ranked system before he made the promise, he is either dumber than a sack of hammers or being deliberately dishonest during an election campaign.
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Offline waldo

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When the opposition wouldn't go for his ranked ballot system, he used it as an excuse to back away entirely.

more member wilber porkies! Again:

no public consensus on an alternate presented itself... polls consistently showed that a majority of those polled did not want to change the electoral system. Pointedly, also consistently from the point the campaign suggestion was made, PM Trudeau repeatedly stated he did not favour going directly to the people (as in a referendum approach to determine an alternative). The waldo's recall has you, member wilber, repeatedly touting the B.C. electoral referendums... that is until the waldo showcased just what a sham they were... related posts can certainly be replayed if you'd like to dance again!
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Unlike other jurisdictions who have debated electoral reform, Trudeau never put anything to the people.
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Unlike other jurisdictions who have debated electoral reform, Trudeau never put anything to the people.

I'm waiting for you to resurrect the "B.C. experience" - cause that went so well... cause that was so representative and really showcased an informed electorate - NOT!
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Offline Squidward von Squidderson

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No insults. 

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I'm waiting for you to resurrect the "B.C. experience" - cause that went so well... cause that was so representative and really showcased an informed electorate - NOT!

At least BC let the people decide. Twice. Trudeau is afraid to give them that kind of control over their own future.

So lets just cancel all future elections and hand complete control to the Liberal Party of Canada which knows what is best for us. We can be just like the China that Trudeau admired so much.
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At least BC let the people decide. Twice. Trudeau is afraid to give them that kind of control over their own future.

and they were both charades - as well discussed previously. Hey, if you'd like resurrect that thread again - show just how abysmally weak the effort/results were... go for it!


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We can be just like the China that Trudeau admired so much.

recycling that ole chestnut - you're showing such desperation! In that context of a 'green economy and green technologies', of rapidly turning an economy and investments towards renewables:

Quote from: PM Trudeau
There’s a level of admiration I actually have for China, because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say, 'We need to go green … we need to start investing in solar.'

CPC/O'Foole supporters who purposely misinform!

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O’Toole has an issue….   

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-otoole-faces-damaging-prospect-of-a-televised-hybrid-parliament-for/

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It’s not that Conservative MPs will defend the right of Canadians to remain unvaccinated. It’s that they will be among the Canadians who choose to remain unvaccinated.

Politically, that’s a whole different picture. And it is the one Canadians could well see on their TV screens five or six weeks from now. So far, the Tories haven’t figured out what to do about that.

Tories who don’t learn from the past are doomed to repeat it, as they have for more than a century

It won’t be so easy for Mr. O’Toole to settle. The Conservative Leader hasn’t said publicly how many of his MPs have declined vaccination, or even told his own caucus. But there are certainly some, such as B.C. MP Mark Strahl, who argued the party must fight any requirement for MPs to get vaccinated before they sit in the Commons.

Mr. O’Toole has to navigate a faction of his own caucus that wants to refuse to get vaccinated and a broader public that doesn’t have much patience for that stand.

It will be damaging to the party to highlight every time parliament is in session just how many crackpots are part of the Conservative Party. 
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recycling that ole chestnut - you're showing such desperation! In that context of a 'green economy and green technologies', of rapidly turning an economy and investments towards renewables:

CPC/O'Foole supporters who purposely misinform!
So Trudeau was lying and doesn't admire China's government for the stated reasons?

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recycling that ole chestnut - you're showing such desperation! In that context of a 'green economy and green technologies', of rapidly turning an economy and investments towards renewables:

And you in turn bring up that old chestnut, WALL-E, the one that Trudeau's friend and mentor Gerald Butthead oversaw in Ontario and which almost ran the province into bankruptcy. Yeah, yeah, the green economy is going to make us rich once we do away with the only natural advantage Canada has over other countries, that being our natural resources and the world demand for them. We, of course, have no advantage whatever for a green economy beyond what we've already exploited in hydro resources. But don't let that stop you driving away jobs and impoverishing the country.

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So Trudeau was lying and doesn't admire China's government for the stated reasons?

no - I provided the missing context that purposely misinforming O'Toole/CPC supporters fail to include/mention - try rereading it again, hey!

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And you in turn bring up that old chestnut, the one that Trudeau's friend and mentor Gerald Butts oversaw in Ontario.....

waldo, isn't that the guy who was instrumental in phasing out Ontario's coal-fired power plants... and bringing in the federal carbon tax? That's a helleva chestnut, hey! Yes waldo, it's clear Butts' key architect role for both Liberal McGuinty's and PM Trudeau’s electoral victories positions him as the arch-nemesis to failed Conservative supporters!