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Offline waldo

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no - not a strawman... at all! If you're going to forevah whine about Electoral Reform, than you should be ready to acknowledge... accept... that in all the related review processes, no clear choice emerged for an alternative system of voting. What did become clear is the problem that can occur with proportional representation and the negative influence that fringe parties can hold over a functioning government!

surely you're not one of those wanting change just for the sake of change - surely!

Quote from: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau
I will not move towards any form of proportional representation, but if people want to talk about a different system that might benefit Canadians, like a preferential ballot, I'd be open to that

Bull, he promised electoral reform legislation within 18 months of forming government.

no public consensus on an alternate presented itself... polls consistently showed that a majority of those polled did not want to change the electoral system. Pointedly, also consistently from the point the campaign suggestion was made, PM Trudeau repeatedly stated he did not favour going directly to the people (as in a referendum approach to determine an alternative). The waldo's recall has you, member wilber, repeatedly touting the B.C. electoral referendums... that is until the waldo showcased just what a sham they were... related posts can certainly be replayed if you'd like to dance again!

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FFS member wilber! How many times does this need to be beat-back? That so-called ad never ran... it was never approved to run. It was put up on the Liberal Party website by a staffer for all of 15 minutes or so - and then pulled at the request of party leader Martin after he saw it.

quit making shyte up, hey!

Guess that's why it was all over the media. Good way to get free advertising.

again, it was not a formal ad and never played anywhere. Of course some intrepid weasel captured it even in the minimal time it actually existed on the party website before being taken down... and since that time (now some 15 years later), misinforming Conservative supporting types... like you member wilber... keep plying this nonsense, over and over and over again! Get a grip hey!

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no public consensus on an alternate presented itself... polls consistently showed that a majority of those polled did not want to change the electoral system. Pointedly, also consistently from the point the campaign suggestion was made, PM Trudeau repeatedly stated he did not favour going directly to the people (as in a referendum approach to determine an alternative). The waldo's recall has you, member wilber, repeatedly touting the B.C. electoral referendums... that is until the waldo showcased just what a sham they were... related posts can certainly be replayed if you'd like to dance again!

Trudeau never put any options to the public. When the opposition wouldn't go for his ranked ballot system, he used it as an excuse to back away entirely.

If a twice elected MP and son of one of the longest serving prime ministers doesn't understand the implications of any proportional or ranked system before he made the promise, he is either dumber than a sack of hammers or being deliberately dishonest during an election campaign.
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When the opposition wouldn't go for his ranked ballot system, he used it as an excuse to back away entirely.

more member wilber porkies! Again:

no public consensus on an alternate presented itself... polls consistently showed that a majority of those polled did not want to change the electoral system. Pointedly, also consistently from the point the campaign suggestion was made, PM Trudeau repeatedly stated he did not favour going directly to the people (as in a referendum approach to determine an alternative). The waldo's recall has you, member wilber, repeatedly touting the B.C. electoral referendums... that is until the waldo showcased just what a sham they were... related posts can certainly be replayed if you'd like to dance again!
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Unlike other jurisdictions who have debated electoral reform, Trudeau never put anything to the people.
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Unlike other jurisdictions who have debated electoral reform, Trudeau never put anything to the people.

I'm waiting for you to resurrect the "B.C. experience" - cause that went so well... cause that was so representative and really showcased an informed electorate - NOT!
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I'm waiting for you to resurrect the "B.C. experience" - cause that went so well... cause that was so representative and really showcased an informed electorate - NOT!

At least BC let the people decide. Twice. Trudeau is afraid to give them that kind of control over their own future.

So lets just cancel all future elections and hand complete control to the Liberal Party of Canada which knows what is best for us. We can be just like the China that Trudeau admired so much.
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At least BC let the people decide. Twice. Trudeau is afraid to give them that kind of control over their own future.

and they were both charades - as well discussed previously. Hey, if you'd like resurrect that thread again - show just how abysmally weak the effort/results were... go for it!


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We can be just like the China that Trudeau admired so much.

recycling that ole chestnut - you're showing such desperation! In that context of a 'green economy and green technologies', of rapidly turning an economy and investments towards renewables:

Quote from: PM Trudeau
There’s a level of admiration I actually have for China, because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say, 'We need to go green … we need to start investing in solar.'

CPC/O'Foole supporters who purposely misinform!